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Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-28-2011 04:45 AM:

Getting barred for useing e-collar during T.O

You can use a GPS to locate your dog during time out but you can't use you e-collar to bring it back before a car hits it. How all thinks this rule needs to be changed?
THE WAY IT STANDS NOW YOU GET BARRED IF YOU SAVE YOUR DOG. COULD THAT BE WERE ALL THE MEMBERS ARE GOING? LOL

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Posted by jefff on 06-28-2011 05:43 AM:

are you saying you cant use a shock collar in time out ? if so thats bull .

Posted by l.lyle on 06-28-2011 05:55 AM:

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are you saying you cant use a shock collar in time out ? if so thats bull .

Yes thats what is being said. Time outs BS: just take a cast of deer chasers and go to calling time outs everytime one needs some "training" on hunt time. Why don't people trashbreak at home ? they ain't got no place to hunt but in a hunt?

Posted by James Garrison on 06-28-2011 01:57 PM:

With the new tec 1.0 coming out you will have on your person a locating device and a shocker at the same time all in the hand held. On a time out where you can legally locate your dogs location you can also give him a shock to get him off that deer, coyote, etc.

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Posted by kycooner1 on 06-28-2011 02:38 PM:

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With the new tec 1.0 coming out you will have on your person a locating device and a shocker at the same time all in the hand held. On a time out where you can legally locate your dogs location you can also give him a shock to get him off that deer, coyote, etc.

I feel this Tracker/Shocker combo will be illegal to carry in the hunts,,Rite now according to the rules it would be a infraction..They would have to change the rule so you could carry a the transmitter with you.

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Posted by cbcoonskinner on 06-28-2011 02:58 PM:

There would prabally be alot less dogs entered in the hunts if shock collars were not allowed on the dogs during hunt time.

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Posted by Buckshot on 06-28-2011 03:04 PM:

Tek 1.0 comes in 2 formats - GPS Only and GPS/E-Collar ---- Just run the GPS Only during the hunt.

Posted by Virgil on 06-28-2011 03:07 PM:

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Originally posted by cbcoonskinner
There would prabally be alot less dogs entered in the hunts if shock collars were not allowed on the dogs during hunt time.

You can run a shock collar on your dog during a hunt. You cannot, however, carry the transmitter with you or even shock your dog during a timeout unless you have been scratched or voluntarily withdraw your dog.

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Posted by cbcoonskinner on 06-28-2011 03:15 PM:

I know that Virgil, I was saying I wonder how many dogs would not be hunted in some of the hunts, if the collars wasn't allowed on the dogs during hunt time.
How did those tough skin antennas work on your dc 30 did they make much difference?

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Posted by coonscry on 06-28-2011 03:15 PM:

I think shock collars should be banned during competition, period. Shouldn't it be about the best coon dog? Not which dog responds the best to electricity. Alot of dogs respond by putting the collar on, not just by being shocked. I have 6 dogs and I will/have turn any one of them loose at any time without a shock collar. I don't remember the last time I shocked a dog for anything other than barking in the box.

Posted by cbcoonskinner on 06-28-2011 03:25 PM:

Everybody wants to continue to change the rules everytime something new comes out. Before long we will want to set in our trucks and handle our dogs with our laptops! lol I guess that could be possible when birdeye view is available for eberyone. lol

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Posted by Virgil on 06-28-2011 03:30 PM:

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Originally posted by cbcoonskinner
I know that Virgil, I was saying I wonder how many dogs would not be hunted in some of the hunts, if the collars wasn't allowed on the dogs during hunt time.
How did those tough skin antennas work on your dc 30 did they make much difference?

Brought them right back to like when they were new, maybe even a little better. Only fault I have with them is the antenna itself is so long I had to use a couple extra zip ties and tie it to the collar in a couple more spots.

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Posted by Jon Millwood on 06-28-2011 03:37 PM:

Personally one of the first thing I teach my dogs is to come when its called and if I have one that runs trash i break it as a pup or it doesnt make it around my house. I have no need to run a shocker on any of my dogs at any time. In my opinion a hunt is not the time to be training a dog. I think if you have to shock your dog to get your hands on it to keep the hour from scratching it, Its not fair to the ones of us who take the time to train our dogs the right way.

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Posted by dustin15 on 06-28-2011 03:40 PM:

if my dog is runnin toward a highway during a time out and i'm close enough to shock him...scratch or bar me if you want....i run a shock collar on my dog for safety.

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Posted by Laura Bell on 06-28-2011 03:53 PM:

If the only way to save my dog from getting hit by a car is to shock it, then I'll withdraw and do so. Simple as that.

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Posted by l.lyle on 06-28-2011 04:05 PM:

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if my dog is runnin toward a highway during a time out and i'm close enough to shock him...scratch or bar me if you want....i run a shock collar on my dog for safety.

What's this time out stuff do? Make it honorable or semi legal? I'd shock it during the hunt if it was chasing to the road. Probably more likely I'd listen before I ever cut loose and withdraw before I did something stupid like head them toward a road.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-28-2011 04:16 PM:

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Originally posted by Virgil
You can run a shock collar on your dog during a hunt. You cannot, however, carry the transmitter with you or even shock your dog during a timeout unless you have been scratched or voluntarily withdraw your dog.

You have to be scratched and ALL DOGS HANDLED before you can use a shock collar OR GET BARRED.................

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-28-2011 04:20 PM:

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Originally posted by Laura Bell
If the only way to save my dog from getting hit by a car is to shock it, then I'll withdraw and do so. Simple as that.

You will still get barred unless all dogs are handled...........not that barred would stop me if I needed to stop my dog in a hurry. Mine was on the road or close to it with a car I could see comeing last hunt. I was close enough it could hear me and I could signle the car with my light.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-28-2011 04:28 PM:

I can see were people that run dogs in big areas would never need it on there dog. As far as trash problems. I have never been in but one hunt out of all of them that a dog ran fast game.
The rules don't that much differance to me. I can call my dogs easier than most and if I do need to use a collar and I can get to the control you can bet I will and go to another KC.

Posted by Blackwater Pete on 06-28-2011 05:01 PM:

Is this really that big of problem who cares who has to run their dogs with a shock collar as long as it is in the truck big deal and if the dog is running junk to the road it should get smashed by a car.

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Posted by coonscry on 06-28-2011 05:37 PM:

You use that as your excuse for not having disciplined dogs. The training should be done before the hunt. I can call my dogs off of trees or tracks with out leashes or shock collars. That's because I actually put time into training BEFORE I WENT HUNTING. I wouldn't shock my dogs off of good game FOR ANY REASON, including highways or interstates. I'll call them off or pull them off of the track but I wouldn't be lazy enough to shock them. Shock collars are a tool to be used in training. Not the end all, be all in training.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-28-2011 05:56 PM:

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Originally posted by coonscry
You use that as your excuse for not having disciplined dogs. The training should be done before the hunt. I can call my dogs off of trees or tracks with out leashes or shock collars. That's because I actually put time into training BEFORE I WENT HUNTING. I wouldn't shock my dogs off of good game FOR ANY REASON, including highways or interstates. I'll call them off or pull them off of the track but I wouldn't be lazy enough to shock them. Shock collars are a tool to be used in training. Not the end all, be all in training.

So if your dogs were headed toward a highway and couldn't hear you. You wouldn't vibrate or tone them to get them to come in. Yea right. I have put that kind of time in on mine too and don't think anyone that has would let them run across a interstate if they could help it. I can call mine in if they can hear me too but if they can't I can vibrate them and bring them back allso.

Posted by coonscry on 06-28-2011 06:25 PM:

OkieDawg, that's not what I wrote. I said SHOCK. So your misquoting does nothing for the argument. That being said, no. I've had my dogs cross US 191 a bunch of times here in Utah and US 101 in washington a bunch of times. Not to mention any other road where the speed limit is 65. I don't/won't shock them if they are running good game(mostly bears in those areas). I've caught them and led them across the road if there was traffic. I've caught them and loaded them up and I've just let them cross if it's a straight away with no traffic. I've never shocked or toned them while having them chase good game. Of course, keep in mind that I don't make a habit of hunting around highways so i don't have to normally worry about it. But it does happen. I want my dogs to finish EVERY track they can and if it's safe running on the other side, I'll let them go. I did have one of my dogs our on a lion track this last winter and he trailed it for miles and miles to US 40. Which is the main highway into our area. Lots and lots of 18 wheelers doing 65+. I was able to yell that dog off of what was at that point a pretty fresh lion track. The other side of the road wasn't a good place to run and when I started yelling, he came to me. That's really what a well trained dog should do. He didn't even have a shock collar on.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-28-2011 06:56 PM:

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Originally posted by coonscry
OkieDawg, that's not what I wrote. I said SHOCK. So your misquoting does nothing for the argument. That being said, no. I've had my dogs cross US 191 a bunch of times here in Utah and US 101 in washington a bunch of times. Not to mention any other road where the speed limit is 65. I don't/won't shock them if they are running good game(mostly bears in those areas). I've caught them and led them across the road if there was traffic. I've caught them and loaded them up and I've just let them cross if it's a straight away with no traffic. I've never shocked or toned them while having them chase good game. Of course, keep in mind that I don't make a habit of hunting around highways so i don't have to normally worry about it. But it does happen. I want my dogs to finish EVERY track they can and if it's safe running on the other side, I'll let them go. I did have one of my dogs our on a lion track this last winter and he trailed it for miles and miles to US 40. Which is the main highway into our area. Lots and lots of 18 wheelers doing 65+. I was able to yell that dog off of what was at that point a pretty fresh lion track. The other side of the road wasn't a good place to run and when I started yelling, he came to me. That's really what a well trained dog should do. He didn't even have a shock collar on.

Well my dogs will do the same if they can hear me. We don't hunt big country hear though. Like I said before there is a road around each mile section. Try getting to your dog before he can make it a mile on a fast race.
I personaly see no differance in calling a dog with a voice command and calling one with a vibrate command. They know both mean the same thing if you train them that way and I do. I haven't shocked any of my dogs in a long time. They are all house broke to speaking when they need out sife, speeking on command and yep they have to come when called no matter what. One speeks when you tell it to speek, one when you tell him to whale and the pup speaks when you tell it to sing. I do a little obeidence on my hounds but not like I have on most other dogs I have owned.

Posted by john Duemmer on 06-28-2011 07:07 PM:

I think at some point UKC. will have to change with the times. As much as some of us wish it wouldnt technology and shrinking hunting areas is going to change the sport. Where i hunt most of the blocks are a couple miles square so roads are always a threat, and its much easier to be able to tone a dog in(which by the way requires training) than to stand and holler at the top of your lungs until house lghts start coming on.

I lost a good young dog on the road a couple years ago because she wasnt wearing a collar, and since then every dog wears one every time they hunt. The shock collar rule is unenforceable anyway simply because the cast isnt togeather during timeots when people are driving around trying to round up dogs before the hour catches them so how would anyone know if the button gets pushed? So that brings us back to the HONOR part of the rules and i must admit i dont have the faith in my felow man that i once had.

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