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Congressman Paul Ryan is Romneys pick for VP. A conservative and a hunter.
I like it.

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I like it but it will not help much. Too many people with their hand out won't vote for someone that believes in personal responsibility.

It's easy to bribe the American sheeple. Just tell them you are gonna steal from others and give it to them and they will vote for you in droves. Has worked for the democrats for years, and now that the people getting handouts are close to or outnumbering actual producers it will be even easier for them. Just promise them some more of other peoples money.

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Ryan is a smarty guy, but very monolithic, an Ayn Rand clone who was anti-God Religion, totally opposed to any form of human altruism, not sure this will play with those on the religious right under scrutiny, his stand to end medicare-social security may not draw middle class and independent voters, he is quite oppositional to what Romney has advocated, he may help shore up base support, but not sure about those who are undecided. His dad, grandad, great grandad all died in their 50s from heart conditions, sure wish the congressman a much longer life span. Believe demographics, voter turnout will be key factors in the election, of course the economy will be a big issue. I like Ryan's stand on expenditure-debt reduction, but less excited about his ideas about revenue, revenue and spending have to work together, don't believe one alone will get the job done...

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Ryan is a smarty guy, but very monolithic, an Ayn Rand clone who was anti-God Religion, totally opposed to any form of human altruism, not sure this will play with those on the religious right under scrutiny, his stand to end medicare-social security may not draw middle class and independent voters, he is quite oppositional to what Romney has advocated, he may help shore up base support, but not sure about those who are undecided. His dad, grandad, great grandad all died in their 50s from heart conditions, sure wish the congressman a much longer life span. Believe demographics, voter turnout will be key factors in the election, of course the economy will be a big issue. I like Ryan's stand on expenditure-debt reduction, but less excited about his ideas about revenue, revenue and spending have to work together, don't believe one alone will get the job done...

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Originally posted by rrs
Ryan is a smarty guy, but very monolithic, an Ayn Rand clone who was anti-God Religion, totally opposed to any form of human altruism, not sure this will play with those on the religious right under scrutiny, his stand to end medicare-social security may not draw middle class and independent voters, he is quite oppositional to what Romney has advocated, he may help shore up base support, but not sure about those who are undecided. His dad, grandad, great grandad all died in their 50s from heart conditions, sure wish the congressman a much longer life span. Believe demographics, voter turnout will be key factors in the election, of course the economy will be a big issue. I like Ryan's stand on expenditure-debt reduction, but less excited about his ideas about revenue, revenue and spending have to work together, don't believe one alone will get the job done...

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Interesting how people see what they want to see, do believe Ryan would like to privatize social security-medicare, all for reform and eliminating as many entitlements as possible, but don't believe that these programs are that as people pay into them and thus have earned the benefit. Do feel many fear change in these programs, of course realize they have to be reformed to be sustained. Spending has to be reduced across the board, but most think it is ok to slay your ox, leave mine alone. Revenue stream is a must, like it or not, but it needs to be fair, cuts for rich did not-will not work, all need to pay period, personally like the fair tax or 2nd flat rate income no deductions-write-offs, we all pay, close the irs won't need it. Don't believe medical history of Ryan's family is a cheap shot, just an objective fact. Our debt has been a long time in the making and will take some time to correct. I am old enough that changes won't effect me in social security etc., but worry about the future of the next generation. I am a registered Republican, have been that longer than most have been alive, but am not an idealogue. Actually believe that we have only one party with different wings, as they both support status quo, need real choice and alternatives, but not possible under our system. Important to vote, key to democracy, vote for your choice, but vote.

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Interesting how people see what they want to see, do believe Ryan would like to privatize social security-medicare, all for reform and eliminating as many entitlements as possible, but don't believe that these programs are that as people pay into them and thus have earned the benefit. Do feel many fear change in these programs, of course realize they have to be reformed to be sustained. Spending has to be reduced across the board, but most think it is ok to slay your ox, leave mine alone. Revenue stream is a must, like it or not, but it needs to be fair, cuts for rich did not-will not work, all need to pay period, personally like the fair tax or 2nd flat rate income no deductions-write-offs, we all pay, close the irs won't need it. Don't believe medical history of Ryan's family is a cheap shot, just an objective fact. Our debt has been a long time in the making and will take some time to correct. I am old enough that changes won't effect me in social security etc., but worry about the future of the next generation. I am a registered Republican, have been that longer than most have been alive, but am not an idealogue. Actually believe that we have only one party with different wings, as they both support status quo, need real choice and alternatives, but not possible under our system. Important to vote, key to democracy, vote for your choice, but vote.

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Don't believe taxes should be used to punish people for being successful, course the really rich do not live on earned income, but capital gains taxed at a much lower rate, I pd. over twice the % that Romney did, still like the fair tax, but realize it has no chance as lower income people would pay much higher % of their disposable income than those more affluent. If a flat rate, could have a ceiling, below no taxes, all above pay the same rate, no deductions, write-offs, etc. This is a hard sell and neither party really embraces it. People cannot pay nothing and get back more than they pay-regardless of income level, we all have to pay. Expenditures have to cut period, no sacred cows, but will never happen. Congress has been a failure for many years, spend-spend, the executive often gets blamed for what congress does and fails to do.

Yep.

I agree with Capitol Gains being taxed at a lower rate. That money was used as an investment and it was already taxed once, then it was put at risk in order to try and innovate or change something. Many people lose the origional investment so when they do make a profit they deserve to get a lower tax rate on that otherwise there is no incentive to invest in the future. That is only long term capitol gains that gets that benifit, and that means that money was tied up for a while and unable to be used so yes I see that being a different rate because of that and the fact that it was already taxed once.

For everything and everybody else I would support a flat tax. Whatever that is, 10%, 20% on income with no deductions. You could file your taxes on an index card and the IRS could be dismantled (that's a huge savings right there).

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Rip,
don't agree with your thoughts about capital gains, many here if not most live on inherited wealth and have never pd. income tax on what is invested which may be in tax free bonds etc. as part of a large portfolio. Not for raising this rate, but making earned rate more comparable by lowering it, but eliminating all the perks-write-offs-deductions. believe life is easier for the rich than for the poor, course have never been rich, but was once poor...

Well what I was saying was leave the capitol gains rate alone. It is reasonable at 15% I think and that only applies to long term capitol gains.

That money has already been taxed once, and it is at risk of being lost. If you don't have some incentive to invest in long term projects then why do it? You can lose the money you have already gotten with them. I don't care if they are rich or poor the don't deserve to basically be taxed again on it at a higher rate.

Capitol gains are different because of the fact that it is a long term investment where the money is tied up and can be lost. That is worth having a reasonable tax rate when it works out, remember with a flat tax they don't get to write off their losses either so that's another reason I support capitol gains being taxed at a very low rate.

Short term is different and treated different. The money isn't tied up so it should be taxed as income (which it is already I think).

I don't have any investments, just thoughts about it because of the risk involved without some incentive new inventions would stop as you wouldn't be able to get investors.

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no write offs and one bad year every self employed person would be bankrupt..... it cost me 150,000 to make 50,000.... could not in anyway pay the taxes without writeoffs

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no write offs and one bad year every self employed person would be bankrupt..... it cost me 150,000 to make 50,000.... could not in anyway pay the taxes without writeoffs

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Originally posted by Rip
Patches, there is a difference in a write off and a business expense. The taxes owed would only be on the 50,000 you make, not on the 150,000 you spend to make it though some liberals would LOVE to have that model cause you are right it would close down every business in the US.

Write offs are donations to charity etc. A business expense is an expense that is taken out before profit is figgured. There are plenty of businesses that have a low profit margin and large volume that couldn't stand a tax on gross reciepts. That would just be wrong and I don't think anyone is proposing that.

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i read where his high school class voted him (THE BIGGEST BROWN NOSER)

I'M GOING OUT ON A LIMB HERE, BUT WOULDN'T YOU SAY MOST OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TAXES WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ISSUE IF WE ONLY SPENT FEDERAL MONEY ON THINGS LISTED IN THE CONSTITUTION AND WERE NOT TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT???

Yep, you got that right.

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In short..I concur Jimmie good luck to Maxx tonight

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I went to a Romney/Ryan rally this past Sunday. There was a large crowd and a lot of support. I can say one thing for sure, Romney picked the right one for VP. RYAN IS SHARP!!!!!! With our economic situation like it is, Ryan will be a big factor in getting this mess straightened out.

VOTE ROMNEY/RYAN IN 2012---GOD BLESS AMERICA

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THINK OF IT THIS WAY, BIDEN ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE OVAL OFFICE OR RYAN ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE OVAL OFFICE, YOU DECIDE!!!

Easy.....

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
THINK OF IT THIS WAY, BIDEN ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE OVAL OFFICE OR RYAN ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE OVAL OFFICE, YOU DECIDE!!!

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Re: Easy.....

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Originally posted by Knox
.........Man, that's an EASY choice.....duh..!

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I can not wait until the debate between Romney & Obama (without his teleprompter). This will be interesting.

The debate between Ryan & Biden will be a show. I will furnish the popcorn for this one!!!!!

Romney & Ryan will have a lot to offer. They are the team that we need to get people back to work and off of dependency of the government. Then these people will be paying taxes and making a contribution instead of breaking the bank.

VOTE ROMNEY/RYAN IN 2012----GOD BLESS AMERICA

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