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Reuben here is the answer to your ?

By no way am I an expert were I got my experience was a lot of times when I got my hands on a dog they had a problem that needed fixed in short order like a good mechanic the more experience he has the better problem solver he becomes. Now on to your question I still train with the mentality that I am in the 3 hr hunts that last hour would make or break you a lot of the dogs of today would not stay on the plus side if they had to hunt an extra hour or be out of pocket so far that it would not matter. You asked about different strains of dogs working in different areas some dogs while wired 440 and non tireless every night hunters their so amped up that you never get them conquered one night they might look unbeatable the next night they do everything wrong they are inconsistant. Here you got to have a dog with nose, heart, and the brains to use it this place is ruff but I have hunted it so long that I know we're the feed is but do to being in Oklahoma the wheather changes are drastic day by day so a well rounded dog is needed to be consistant. A good dog trainer looks for two main ingredients in a dog the tools of the trade and the the eagerness to please it's master. Give me a young dog with those two things I can train it. To tree the first coon it comes to without culling tracks and running the roads and openings.

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A true coondog will put itself in places where it has a chance to find a coon. It isn't looking for openings or paths to run,its seeking one thing,a coons track,period.

Oh Reuben you asked.

Fine line...

Thanks for your reply...

The fine line I am talking about...what are your thoughts on my theory?
When breeding for the ultimate dog...to produce a dog that can win and become grand night champion...that there is a fine line that when you are breeding for those pups and you have stacked as many gnc in the pedigree, will it become probable that there will be a high percentage of pups/dogs produced that go over that fine line? In my mind I see these dogs when let out will kick rocks in your face and they are looking for the hotter tracks and will pass up good tracks in looking for that smoking hot track...do you think this happens more often than not and why?

If the pup/dog that is born but does not inherit the right traits to be a grand night champion but could possibly be a very good hunting dog but these dogs do not have exactly what is needed to win GNC...Maybe because it takes colder tracks and because of this he spends More time getting to the tree...do you think many good dogs of this type are produced when breeding for that GNC? We all know there will be other reasons why there will be culls...but not talking about these dogs because there shouldn’t be many of those...

In my minds eye it seems to me that the average gnc dog is one right in the middle of that fine line...it can’t be too cold nosed nor too hot nosed and of course it is the brain that drives the dog to react according To his inheritance genes and to some degree training/exposing and conditioning (handling) is involved in making that GNC...so when breeding for these winners the evolution process is producing dogs that meet certain standards directly or indirectly...directly meaning we are breeding dogs intentionally for certain traits and indirectly meaning that we are not knowingly breeding for certain traits because we can’t gauge or monitor it but these are genes that are part of what goes along with the package of what makes up that potential GNC and possible world champion...what you guys do as competition hunters really interests me in knowing the thought process of the top guns in this sport...well I PMed you these questions but since you answered here...everyone else is welcome to give input...thanks

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

You take a hyper person with a hammer and a nail they are beating all around that nail tearing up the board even sometimes bending it over but you take a carpenter that has a slower more accurate swing he will sink that nail with less swings and damage to the nail and the board. All that wild energy is no good if a dog cannot channel it to the positive side of things. All this striking and barking and having one coon out of 4 trees is a negetive. If a dog beats you on a cast by treeing one coon in two hours and you got no part of it you have a dog that is over the line for usefulness in my kennel.

I agree...

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

dogs

Give me one that takes his tracks as he or she comes too them that will have a coon when they tree and I will win more than I loose. The problem we run into in Tennessee is those dogs that make four trees a night and you see two coons and the other two are "circle" and should have been slick. Imo people need to be more honest about there dogs and try not to make excuses for them and cull hard and the dogs will get better. Tennessees football coach Butch Jones would be a real coon hunter he can make the excuses

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[ Tennessees football coach Butch Jones would be a real coon hunter. He might, but I don't think his dog could beat Nick Saban's dog.