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Posted by Dogwhisper on 03-03-2007 10:29 PM:

Top Producing Computations?

Looking @ the B&T males,page 203 March 07 issue.The first dog GRCH GRNTCH"PR"Nelson's Northern Rex.
Here's the ?.The difference between the # of dogs produced & the # of dogs perm. registered is 77.These 77 dogs are not eligible for championship degrees.Why are they figured into the %.
Shouldn't the percentage be based on the # of pups Perm. Reg.?After all these Perm. Reg. pups are the ones that are eligible for NTCH/GRNTCH degree.If I'm wrong enlighten me.
No offense the the owners, just using this dog as an example.

Posted by John D on 03-03-2007 11:19 PM:

I don't know for sure why they did it the way they did it. But it seems to me that it is fair to everyone to count the total pups produced. In fact, if you go down through the list, the order won't change much if you take the percentage of titled pups divided by only those perm. registered.

If you let them get older before you start counting them, which is what you'll be doing if you only count those perm. registered, you are allowing someone to work these pups and cull some so they don't count against a dog's percentage. Thats great if someone is working their pups and culling. But its not so great if you think Dog A with this percentage is better than Dog B but what you don't know is Dog A has more pups that were culled before they were registered.

That doesn't mean some don't wait awhile to litter register them, but then if someone buys a pup and has to wait several months to get the papers, its a little more obvious what they are doing and word about that WILL get around.

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 03-03-2007 11:51 PM:

Keeping a running counting of the total # of pups produced is good information to have.But to equate the non perm. reg.pups into the sum,now there is where I am at a lose.Taking the percentage of titled pups divided by only those perm. reg. that makes sense.The running count will identify the percentage of "culls" in this case it's 15.52%

Posted by COONDOG on 03-04-2007 12:52 AM:

I think that their requirements need to be looked at again. Why cant you take into consideration for frozen semen. My stud dog is a result of frozen semen and his father as well as a lot of others can not be considered because of the requirements. They cant even be considered for all time because they are "too old". just a thought.

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Posted by HOBO on 03-04-2007 01:23 AM:

To get a true idea of the %'s you need to base it off of the number of pups that have been put into a hunt. Those %'s mean nothing because they don't tell you how many of the pups went to comp hunters, pleasure hunters or big game hunters.

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Posted by John D on 03-04-2007 10:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
To get a true idea of the %'s you need to base it off of the number of pups that have been put into a hunt. Those %'s mean nothing because they don't tell you how many of the pups went to comp hunters, pleasure hunters or big game hunters.

In that case, there would be some dogs with 100%. How would we tell their reproducing ability apart?

Doesn't everyone have the same market for pups, consisting of comp. hunters, pleasure hunters, big game, etc.?

"All my pups go to pleasure and big game hunters" always sounds like an excuse to me, anyway.

I don't necessarily understand or agree with the way they come up with all the numbers, but its a pretty fair way of doing it, IF you are interested in producing pups that can win. If you aren't interested in producing pups that can win, then there's no point in even thinking about, or looking at the lists.

Posted by Jay Westbrook on 03-05-2007 12:06 AM:

I have said in the past and will say again. I would like to see the historical list by percentages. Even if it was only once a year. I think in all breeds you would see some dogs there that are not even showing up now. I think this would be good information for breeders. I know in the bluetick breed that there are some dogs that have 15-18% and do not show up on the historical list because they only produced a couple of hundred pups. UKC, that is something to think about. I would rather have a dog in my pedigree that produced 18%, (36 nites or grand nites out of 200 pups) than one that produced 8% (80 nites or grand nites out of 1000 pups). Something to think about.

Posted by Dogwhisper on 03-05-2007 10:09 PM:

UKC.
You there. Enlighten us.

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