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Posted by rthompson on 03-12-2015 01:07 AM:

Why doesnt ukc...

Why dont they have a tree countdown? Personally think its a great idea and would give the me too types a harder time! It really doesnt make any sense to give a dog 75 points for comin from a half a mile and coverinafter they ran a deer or something for 100 strike.

Posted by Tailkicker on 03-12-2015 01:33 AM:

Thats why first tree is 125 and not 100 like other registries.

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Posted by yadkintar on 03-12-2015 01:40 AM:

I been trying to think about this because the other kcs don't have a leash lock I really am asking how this would work with a leash lock I like the idea though I am sure it would hurt you somehow with I just can't figure it out ( I am a dummy)

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-12-2015 01:43 AM:

What you mean the others dont have a leash lock? I can leash lock you in pkc.

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Posted by yadkintar on 03-12-2015 01:48 AM:

I meant the other one just asked a question !

Posted by rthompson on 03-12-2015 01:54 AM:

I dont see how the leash lock would effect you? My question is countdown and so what if the tree is worth more in ukc.

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-12-2015 02:00 AM:

I have the option of cutting loose in ukc to if only a couple more dogs are treed. I dont understand the leash locking question. They need one. It wpuld help a feller who dont hunt a covering idiot. A dog dont need 75 points for covering in 4min 59 sec. It needs a bullet.

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Posted by rthompson on 03-12-2015 02:04 AM:

X2 i see people on here complaining about winning dogs that are me too types i see alot of them round here it doesnt realy bother me i just have to have a better dog. but dont it make sense to not make it as easy for one of these types? I guess ukc thinks they would lose to much money from these dogs entering hunts. but imo if you have a 1st & 2nd type its not a coondog.

Posted by john Duemmer on 03-12-2015 02:07 AM:

Re: Why doesnt ukc...

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Originally posted by rthompson
Why dont they have a tree countdown? Personally think its a great idea and would give the me too types a harder time! It really doesnt make any sense to give a dog 75 points for comin from a half a mile and coverinafter they ran a deer or something for 100 strike.

It has been a rule change proposed in the past and was voted down.... But the short answer to why is that the breed reps doing the voteing are not competition hunters. The most common excuses i have heard is the judges would have trouble runnin the time, and that guys will sandbag and just tree for a quarter.

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Posted by yadkintar on 03-12-2015 02:13 AM:

I like the countdown idea but I think they should cut the tree time to 3 minutes because with a dog still running ( your dog) they hurry up and score a tree ( circle it ) cut back to you if you get treed with the coon gives them less time to get a piece of it !

Posted by rthompson on 03-12-2015 02:19 AM:

That doesnt make sense to me either people that dont comp. hunt makin the rules.

Posted by Tailkicker on 03-12-2015 02:39 AM:

Rules should be written to make the winning tougher to bring out the best hounds in the breed.

rthompson, i agree that if you don't comp hunt... you shouldn't write the rules.

Posted by Brrk on 03-12-2015 02:57 AM:

The thing is, if you can't beat a me tooer, you need a better dog. For those of you who hunt me tooers, fine with me. I'll win nearly every time. Sure you get beat some but a me tooer will not win the majority of it's hunts

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Posted by rthompson on 03-12-2015 03:07 AM:

I agree to an extent say three dogs dog bark up the creek the fourth strike a coon hontest dog takes first tree the first dog to open takes secondafter the dog is treed for two minutes this happened all nite rhe other nite! Score was 625+ & 625+ the only reason i won is cause i treed every single coon! It should not have been that close! On one tree he was treed for3 1/2 min. before he was covered! if there would have been a count down i would have won by at least 150 points.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 03-12-2015 02:49 PM:

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I agree to an extent say three dogs dog bark up the creek the fourth strike a coon hontest dog takes first tree the first dog to open takes secondafter the dog is treed for two minutes this happened all nite rhe other nite! Score was 625+ & 625+ the only reason i won is cause i treed every single coon! It should not have been that close! On one tree he was treed for3 1/2 min. before he was covered! if there would have been a count down i would have won by at least 150 points.

The point? you still won so what's the big deal? It the countdown, has been voted on at the last 2 rules meetings and was turned down. I personally do not care one way or the other, but if I want to countdown, I'll simply go hunt another registries hunt the night I have that urge. Choices are a good thing. Like eating out. Will it be seafood or steak? And yes, that's my choice, just like hunting for money or trophy.

With that said, my experience has seen the better hound win in both.....countdown hunts and not. Pack a coondog and you will have a chance.

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Posted by Butler Creek on 03-12-2015 08:17 PM:

I read all of this stuff all the time and never reply because most is just bull crap but this subject needs to be addressed these hunts should be set up for the best dog to win but they are not take for example where I live in most two hour cast you will tree one or two coons we have a very low coon Pop every dog I hunt is a honest strike dog so in a hunt i avg third or fourth strike how is it fair for a honest dog that strikes for 25 and trees for 125= 150+ to get beat by a dog that babbles for 100 and trees for 75= 175+ after the honest dog has been treed for 2,3 or4 min why are they rewarded 75 for coming in after 3or4 min. The babbling doesn't bother me but why can't UKC have a countdown time for tree

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Posted by Tailkicker on 03-12-2015 08:35 PM:

Remove strike points

Dog that trees first with the most coon wins.. who cares what they do before hand...

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-12-2015 09:02 PM:

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Originally posted by Robert Johnson
The point? you still won so what's the big deal? It the countdown, has been voted on at the last 2 rules meetings and was turned down. I personally do not care one way or the other, but if I want to countdown, I'll simply go hunt another registries hunt the night I have that urge. Choices are a good thing. Like eating out. Will it be seafood or steak? And yes, that's my choice, just like hunting for money or trophy.

With that said, my experience has seen the better hound win in both.....countdown hunts and not. Pack a coondog and you will have a chance.

I like to go to Longhorns and get steak and seafood myself.

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Posted by Mark V. on 03-12-2015 10:56 PM:

SO what are realy losing 25pts? in the other kcs the babler gets 100 just because he NEVER shuts up. In other KCs 1st is100 after 1min. it goes to 25 thats a 75pt swing in UKC you tree for 125 after 1min. they come in for 75 thats a 50pt swing.

Posted by chayes on 03-12-2015 11:05 PM:

being competitive

I would love too vote! I think the countdown is a great thing! It would make the hunts more interesting an alot better! Thats why I have changed to $kc ! I cant stand a me too dog!!!

Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-12-2015 11:47 PM:

Most people for a countdown rule haven't or wont judge a cast.
If UKC implements a countdown rule, then they had better supply super duper stop watches. I would then not ever judge a cast again. Judgeing a four dog cast puts the judge at a disadvantage already, now you want him to do more?

Posted by yadkintar on 03-12-2015 11:54 PM:

That's when if you get mixed up like I do you just stare at your watch act like you got it under control and hope nobody notices !!!!

Posted by high ridge on 03-13-2015 12:11 AM:

Was explained to me this way and I believe it

Rules are written to give everyone a chance that being said,it gives the guy with the mediocre hound a chance. They want his or her entry fee and allowing them to tree for 75 after 4 minutes still gives them a chance. The rules I think truly are written to allow the worst dog a chance to compete. If they lost the entry fee of the under performing look how much money would be lost. Some comp hunt hard, I do. I like it and I like keeping a dog that can win. Some guys hunt a few hunts a yr and pleasure hunt less. The kennel clubs wants to keep that guy coming. Plain and simple about the dollar.

I AM ALL FOR A TREE DIE DOWN RULE. It will prob never happen cause if it did how many people would quit going if they could not back and get high points.

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Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-13-2015 12:24 AM:

Strike points 0
Tree points 125, 0,0,0
Best dog wins every time, no circle, no minus, no time outs, no 5 min., 5 min shine time.

Posted by chayes on 03-13-2015 05:25 AM:

no super duper stop watch

A good competition hunter is watching that watch when a dog is treed an the 5 is started ! Its not that hard to help a judge out an say 2nd is close an 3rd is closed an tree is dead! For example its like keeping up with everyones score if you are a serious competition hunter you know what you got to have or what you need to do to have a chance to win at the end an never even looked at the scorecard all night jmo!!! COUNT DOWN WOULD BE NICE!!!

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