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Any tips on training a young dog too tree there own coon without a older dog?

There is a man in Alabama that will hook you up for only $5000.00

That's not much of a tip

Get a dead coon, and tie a rope around it, get the pup chasing it, and then once he is chasing the coon, put the coon up the tree, and voila, a pup treeing a coon........

I know I know i make it sound so easy, but essentially this is how i do it.

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Originally posted by LIL-E
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haha thanks lil e but im gonna throw in another method other then doing drags on this one if you want a pup to do it all on his on with no older dogs but you need to be alittle crazy and have a thing like the dog catcher uses to catch stray dogs..catch you a coon in a cage take the catcher thing stick it in there catch the coon around the neck put you a dog collar on it and tie a nice long rope on it lead the coon till it goes up a tree tie the rope to somethign when the coon goes up the tree go get the puppy and turn him aloose and let him look for it when he smells and looks up that tree yank the coon out on him tied to the rope it will go back up the tree quick if the pup dont fight it this should get the pup treeing do it a couple times then take the dog back to his kennel and pull the coon down and put it back in the caged now when it gets dark take the pup and the caged coon and turn that coon out infront of that pup give it a sec or 2 then release the pup he should have no problem running a treeing that coon he already knows the coon goes up and tree and what to do when it does

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also without doing a drag you can cut a hole in the bottom of a bucket about 2 inches and put the coon in the bucket and wet it down hang the buck up in a tree about 5 foot and turn the pup aloose he will run over there and start treeing the scent comeing out of that bucket i 100% garuntee also patience and more patience

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TRAINING

DEPENDS ON THE AGE OF YOUR PUP AND HOW MUCH NATURAL ABILITY HE OR SHE HAS HUNT IN THE DAY TIME ON SQUIRELL ONCE YA GET TREEING START NIGHT HUNTING THE PUP TAKE FROM THERE OR HUNT THE PUP WITH A GOOD COON DOG ONCE IT STARTS TREEING HUNT IT BY ITSELF

YOu can't train a dog to be a good locator or hunter .. that's genetics , heart and experience .

You can give them a chance ... and not at the house with fake anything , don't show him buckets , cages , dead coon and fake scent unless that's what you want him to go find in the woods .

Most dogs are better off without our help , they might make a decent hound until we train them to tree on den trees or tapped trees just becaue their is coon scent and they will get petted ... they know better on their own .


It's ok to turn loose trapped coon into the wild and then go get your pup and turn it loose ... but don't have the cage around and be prepared to accept that some will get away for awhile ... too much interference on your part will only hurt the pup.

Don't practice anything that you don't plan on doing when the pup is grown ... don't show em' cages during the day , don't use feeders or dead coon , etc ...

Few folks ever actually reach the level of experience and seasoned dogmen that can actually train dogs ... but most of the training and advice is given and done by everyone but them.

I'm going to have to politely disagree, i've started plenty of hounds with a dead coon, and they grew up to hunt live coon, I've never seen a dog tree a dead one lol

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I agree that you dont really "train" a coon dog...especially one that truly "has it"

I am far from a pro...ive only started 1 dog myself from a pup to a finished hound myself...helped hunt plenty...just never 100% on my own...

But my dog was 1000% natural starting...i showed him 1 caged coon...let it.loose and let him tree it...shot it out dead...let him chew.on it...

Took him for a walk in the dark just to get him used to it....didnt think he would ever do.anything....i didnt.even bring my.rifle...we passed a couple dens and he.looked really interested but never opened...

We got to the creek bottom and 2 coons broke out fighting...he took off after them.and opened on track and started treeing...i tied him to the tree and petted him up and ran a half mile back to the truck to get the rifle...

Easiest starting dog ive ever worked with...sure i had to help him along the way....id usually tree the coon before he did for the first few...if he stood on hishead too much id call him to the tree and talk him into it....

I also believe in shooting down every coon they tree till they are confident and treeing solid...usually doesnt take a ton....then will start easing up on shooting coon..i think it does help get their.confidence up and gets them treeing harder and.solid...

The biggest thing.is just taking them to the woods and getting them tracks to run.and having patience...

Mine wouldnt go hunting to far at all for a while...i had to walk around with him....

Now, he will be 2 in late april...he is solid and doing a real nice job..been in 2 hunts and won one cast and got a 3rd place win at the hunt...

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if the dog is bred right all you have to do is hunt em,if they aint bred right no amount of tricks is going to make em a coon dog.

Alot of dogs will overcome their owner's faults ..that's why they say alot of dogs are smarter than their owners ... it's because a dog can get the jist of what you want ... treeing coon or not running deer .. even if you are doing something goofy to get your point across .. the dog is helping you out, not vice-versa.


Encouraging dogs to bark at a dead carcass or coon urine is counterproductive .... it's the source of alot of slick trees and den trees later on .

Dogs don't run wild coon by following their urine or hair.. it's scent glands and pheromone type stuff that only a live coon can give off ... and they dont' run em' in the day or chase caged coon ....

Most wonder dogs at the house start right back from scratch in the wild ... it's like training and then they have to re-train for wild coon at night and finding em' on their own .

Just because folks start dogs wrong and the dog still has the natural skills and sense to make a coondog anyway ... don't mean they are trainers or should give advice .

Again, i'll politely disagree, you dont take a kid thats never seen a deer before or heard of one, and tell him go shoot a deer, and expect him to know what to do just because daddy and mommy, and grandaddy and grand mommy have hunted deer.......

in my opinion its the same way with a pup, you have to show them what you want, its what i've always done, and its what i'll always do and i've never had any adverse effects from it.

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Originally posted by wrinkletreeknls
Again, i'll politely disagree, you dont take a kid thats never seen a deer before or heard of one, and tell him go shoot a deer, and expect him to know what to do just because daddy and mommy, and grandaddy and grand mommy have hunted deer.......

in my opinion its the same way with a pup, you have to show them what you want, its what i've always done, and its what i'll always do and i've never had any adverse effects from it.

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I never have had a "long road ahead",

also i have not called anyone any names on here, so why are you calling people "lazy"

I think dirt devil is taking someone elses point of view way to personal.

do you think your that much better than everyone?

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I have trained dogs your way , been there and done that and seen it and for years and years ....

I have also learned to be more effecient and to make training smoother while better assessing a dog along the way .. my wife's schnauzer can pass your training tests like a pro in the backyard on drags and cages ... and we've all had to lock up the Heeler or poodle when training pups like that because they come in and get in our hair .

You have not trained one like I have , so you are at a disadvantage and not qualified to judge my methods because you don't have experience on that level ... yet, you still aren't gonna stop and think about it or leave it alone ...

How can you talk about the surface of the moon if you haven't been there ?

Training in the day , at the house and with fake scent or carcasses ... is the lazy way and isn't even training a dog to be a hunting dog .

In this day and age , people that still train like that or most that speak on how to break dogs off posssum ... are in fact , not qualified to give advice on the matter .

i have not attacked, or judged your training methods in any way, and your right i have never trained your way, and i never will, again who are you to judge me for the way i train, what gives you he right to call me "lazy"

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Ive trained dozens without an old dog.......usualy by driving around and turning them on coons ive seen cross the road....but also by live traps, feeders, ect


ive never been fond of using dead coon or hides, but i have seen some good trainers use "sent bags" that were nothing more than gunny sacks with feces, urin, and shed hair.....taken from under a coon kept in a cage.

usualy i can just watch the pup awhile and know whats going to work for that one best........that just comes with time and exp

I agree with most everything you say dirtdevil.....except for coon running in the day! We have caught many a coon in the day time!!! Coon move a whole lot more in the morning than people think!!!

I for one have done all the yard work and also found it to be a waste of time! Turning a cage coon loose without the pup knowing, then turning pup loose on track can work! The main thing is to know where the coon are I.E. wheres the food? This will change through out the year! Study coons habits! far as feeders go....not my bag!!! Thats up to you!!!!!! Dedication and patience!!!

Paul

Yeah , I've done alot of hunting in the morning and have some cool pics on my photobucket of dogs treed .... but to maybe explain it better ... there is a learning curve for dogs training in the day and by sight when you take them at night .. locating blindfolded by scent and intuition is what a coondog has to do .

Any dog that can do that at night , can do it during the day .. but not vice versa ... pups should be taught/encouraged to located and stay by scent and instinct , not sight or from petting.

it doesnt matter what its born with you have to teach a pup the coon goes up the tree and its better to do it by itself if you use a old dog all it really is doing is learnen to back a dog that dogs barken so i will to.

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The way dogs are bred today you shouldn't have to do nothing but take them hunting and show them a coon or two. If they got it, it will show quickly, if not someone else can do all the above things. Too many out their that have it in them to start quickly for me to worry about all the yard stuff and little tricks mentioned. I know I have got rid of a few too quickly, but thats just the chance I'll take.

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Originally posted by slobbermouth21
it doesnt matter what its born with you have to teach a pup the coon goes up the tree and its better to do it by itself if you use a old dog all it really is doing is learnen to back a dog that dogs barken so i will to.

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lol, some people think their way is the only way to do it.

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