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Would like to know two things

Can someone clearly show me where it says that a dog has to score the line to get its strike points or in other words (only) the dog(s) that gets the line recieves there strike points. Another question if dogs catch the rabbit on say second or third circle what happens to there line points.

This might help a little

At any time when a dog catches a rabbit their strikes are plus. In situations where only one dog scores a line and the remaining dogs haven't yet, when the dog catches the rabbit, all dogs will recieve their strikes, same as going to a place of refuge.
An example where a dog wouldn't recieve their strike points. All dogs are struck in, one scores a line, 3 miss it, and then the rabbit is lossed. Dog A that scored the line will get his strike, and line points, and then a -50 for a the loss of the track, and the rest of the pack, would have a line through their strikes, and a -50 for the loss. Remember in this case, I was referring to a four dog cast where all dogs were struck in., If majority of the cast was not struck in, then they would be minused accordingly to their struck in point value.

There's really not any clear black and white description of what you were asking, but this is what the rules are.

Another situation, and I've had this happen. 4 dogs are struck in, and 3 of the 4 score all 3 lines, while, the 4 th dog had missed all 3 lines, in this case. I believe he obviously gets no line points, but also a line is crossed through his strike points as well.

If a dog strikes in and immediately catches the rabbit, if the only one struck in, then that dog gets the strike points and then a dead track.

Hope some of this will help.

POINTS WILL BE PLUS:

a. When the non-hunting Judge, or majority of cast if hunting Judge is used, are present as Judge scores dogs on speed and drive at point rabbit was seen by a Judge or cast member (after completion of circle).

b. If dog(s) catch rabbit, dogs receive Strike and Check points only.

c. One set of points where two or more rabbits are seen on the same line.

d. One set of strike points. In case of split tracks, score first track (one time) and recover dog(s) so they may be turned in to dog(s) running split track. However, if rabbit on split track is seen while attempting to score the first track, it may be scored (one time) and then dog(s) must be turned in on the split track. Dog(s) turned in on split track gets next available position. If all positions are taken, dog(s) get 25 points.

e. On Strike, when rabbit is jumped and seen by non-hunting Judge or majority of cast if hunting Judge is used, but goes to a hole or place of refuge before completion of circle (cast must make an attempt to locate hole. Majority of cast decision in hunting Judge situation or non-hunting Judges decision).

f. On strike, if dogs are trailing a rabbit that has been seen by the majority of cast or the nonhunting Judge when time runs out.

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I can't understand why the dogs that didn't score the line don't get their strike points. If one dog scores the line, we determined that rabbit counts as being seen by majority. So why do the dogs that are struck in on that same rabbit not get their strike points.

I'm not arguing the rule, as UKC clarified for us that this is correct. I just can't understand why that makes sense. They struck on a rabbit that was produced, so why don't they get those strike points?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think so.

No, I agree totally, But what your stating is vague, why aren't the strikes plussed when scoring a line, yes on a 4 dog cast , all dogs that are struck in must score the line to lock in their strikes. or Catch the rabbit, or time runs out, or run the rabbit to a place of refuge, after the majority had seen the rabbit. I'm not saying that I agree with it, but that is how it is.

One of my biggest complaints is this very rule. I don't understand how you can run a rabbit for say, 15 min, have a few checks, and score recoveries, but then lose the rabbit, and then minus the dogs. If by what the rules are referring to as scoring a line to prove that the dogs are truly running a rabbit, then how can you score plus points on a recovery for a rabbit that may not have been seen. Don't make sense. Everytime that I bring this up at events where they have Q/A seminars I get the same drawn out responses. " its a rule , thats how it is". Well I think its bs.
I believe when a dog misses a line, the dogs penalty is that it doesn't receive any points for the line, it has nothing to do with it jumping or striking in on the track. I thought there are 3 ways to get points. Strikes, Checks, and Lines. I always tell people, you have to strike and jump the rabbit, before you can get checks and lines on them. Makes no sense to me at all.

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Lightning Strike Kennels

• WorldPCH GrHbCh Pch JG'S On The Move Prune Juice
  
• HBCH JG'S Lightning Striking Larry
  
• HBCH JG'S Buckeye Mark V'S Trapper (RIP-9-23-09)
  
• HBCH Hy-View Beeline Beulah
  

Phil,
Was wondering if the dogs run this rabbit to a place of refuge after everyone seeing it? If so they should have been awarded there strike points.
Shawn

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SO IF ALL DOGS ARE STRUCK IN AN 1 DOG GETS THE LINE THE OTHER DOG MISS BUT IS STILL RUNNING THE RABBIT AND SHOWS HOLE DOES ALL DOGS GET THERE STRIKE POINTS

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Originally posted by deanhagy
SO IF ALL DOGS ARE STRUCK IN AN 1 DOG GETS THE LINE THE OTHER DOG MISS BUT IS STILL RUNNING THE RABBIT AND SHOWS HOLE DOES ALL DOGS GET THERE STRIKE POINTS

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