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Babbling rule question?

Dogs are cut loose and dog A barks the whole minute and doesn't shut up. He passes by cast still barking and judge shines on him and he is running around babbling with no track evident and is then minused for babbling. He then returns to the woods but has never shut up. He barks going back in to other dogs that still have not opened. After all dogs get 300 yards deep all dogs start opening and handlers strike all dogs.

Owner of dog A says he should have first strike since his dog was open first. Judge says he can't be struck back in until a track is evident and dog A has to take last strike.

Who is right?

was the dog working a track or not?

The dog never shut up so it was impossible to know when or if he ever really struck a coon or not. I know when we first turned loose he was babbling for sure but i dont know when or if he struck before the other dogs did.

minus dog A

If the minute is up and the dog is still barking where no tracks is evident, he gets 3 barks, must be struck again and minused again and so on every 3 barks till he either stops babbling or minuses out.
The parts about "can't be struck back until track is evident" is a rule I have never heard of.

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Originally posted by thickcoon
minus dog A

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how does a person decided if a track is "evident" when you have dogs that grub nose in the dirt and others that run with there head up? either way if the dog was barking threw the hole minute and runniing all over i would vote to minus iit.

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Originally posted by Treed First
Your not understanding my question. The dog was minused for babbling. The question is , when can he be struck back in? The dog never shut up.

The judge said he couldn't be struck back in until a track was evident. That time came when the other dogs opened 300 yards deep. So who get first strike and where does dog A get struck back in?

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Originally posted by JiM
If the minute is up and the dog is still barking where no tracks is evident, he gets 3 barks, must be struck again and minused again and so on every 3 barks till he either stops babbling or minuses out.
The parts about "can't be struck back until track is evident" is a rule I have never heard of.

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yeah?? so be it... rule says dog has to be struck on or before the 3rd bark. the judge could of scratched that guy for not strikeing his dog too.

Then dogA should have been scratched before he ever got to the other dogs for minusing out or not being struck in?

them are the rules man.. babbling is babbling.

Jim are you saying we need to count barks and the dog should be called struck on or before every third bark and after 12 barks the dog is munised out?
The 12 barks came about 30 seconds after the minute was up. haha. thanks.

After the minute is up a dog must be struck on or before the 3rd bark everytime, over and over. However if a dog barks 15 times without being struck, you don't divide 15 by 3 and say he is minused 5 times, you count 4 barks and minus. If the dog gets to 15 before he minused, you ask for a new judge.

i'm not sure, i think it might be like a open reg. dog chasing a deer. i don't think you could keep minusing the dog over and over as he runs the deer..he could restrike when the dog quites and switches over to a coon..but if the judge wasn't satisfied the dog was running a coon, you could take minus again.. i don't know!!

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rule states on or before the 3rd bark. that dog is struck and minused. JMO

Dave, I figured that is where Treed First came up with the " can't be restruck till track is evident". But that was an interpretation Allen gave on a question about minusing a reg dog for running offgame. I don't believe that would apply to the babbling rule. I am very sure a dog could minus out after the minute is up for continueing to babble endlessly although I have never seen or even heard of it happening. And you prolly never will see it . Babbling is prolly the single highest percentage ruling questioned on the card. You minus out a dog on babbling, you better have your war bonnet on. But I'm purty sure the rules make it possible.

LMAO!!! ya that would be a wild cast the first two minutes of the hunt!!! i would be afraid of getting back to the trucks and finding all the tires flat!!lol

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agreed. The other one that i get a kick out of is when a dog that is struck comes by CLEARLY not workng a track and the judge saying " well he didnt stop so iim not going to minus him". lol

Yes, the dog is to be put on the paper and minused every three barks after the minute if you still think the dog is babbling.

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Better teach that son of a gun to atleast go hunting AND not come back into cast..Then 99% of the time he want be getting minused!!!

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who's to say he babbling might could of been winding a coon if he was with the other dogs then they struck just wondering who's to say he winded it befor them ??

no way you can minus the dog if he dont quit barking...as much as i hate when i draw a dog like that, there is no way you cant say he's not winding

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I can and I will. If it's babblin it's babblin whether it shuts up or not.

If it don't shut up I will have him in the truck as soon as he gets to 400 minus to boot.

IMO we shouldn't have any type of grace peroid for babblers. We should go back to the way it used to be, three barks and you MUST strike the dog. That way it would be easier to get rid of these "automatic strike" dogs.

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Now let me make sure I am clear on this.... A dog cannot be minused before the minute is up, correct? It is only on the third bark after the minute has elapsed that the dog can be minused. And another question about that rule... If a handler strikes his dog in before the minute has expired the rule states that if the dog does not carry the track out he is minused. How long would you wait before you minus this dog for babbling?