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What do you think of coonhound puppies being sold as pets?

I've had several puppy buyers come to me and let me know of all the coonhound breeders who refuse to sell to them because they don't hunt.

I've also been told, on this very forum even, by several breeders that they would rather put them in a hole than sell to a pet home.

What is your view?

I wrote an article I feel represents both sides:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...-into-pet-homes

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had a man till me he can make more $$$$$$$$$ selling them as pets he told me coonhunters dont wont to pay for there pups and this man sell hes pup's for $500

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Sorry

NO.

it aint about the money when she has the puppies this weekend.

my coondogs, my coondogs...I've culled... I've sold only to wish I had em back....I've waited and trained and fed....NO WAY...get one from someone else. go rescue one from some shelter and pay them 700$ since its about your money...jmo.

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If a breeder is spending hundreds, even thousands (PKCBreeders Stakes) of dollars paying up litters for all the performance type programs out there, that breeder is not likely to be willing to sell to a pet buyer and who in their right mind could blame him/her? On the other hand, if a person bred there on bitch to their own stud to get a pup or two of their own, they may have no problem at all unloading the other pups to pet buyers. I don't see how anyone can critisize that.
It is up to the breeder to choose and I'm not gonna be the one trying to tell them what to do one way or the other.
That's how I see it.

The last litter I raised three were sold or given away to be pets and the other three went to hunting homes. I have no problem giving or selling a pup to someone that only wants it for a pet. Coonhounds can make great pets.

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Originally posted by Virgil
The last litter I raised three were sold or given away to be pets and the other three went to hunting homes. I have no problem giving or selling a pup to someone that only wants it for a pet. Coonhounds can make great pets.

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I raised one litter off my old dog. I kept one, my brother raised one and the other 5 went to good homes that never hunted them in their life. The one I kept is an AKC GrNtCh/UKC Nt Ch with 4 wins toward Grand and has a ticket to 3 World Hunts this year. . The others obviously aren't anything. Makes my old dog look like a purty sorry reproducer and I wouldn't do that to him again.

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Originally posted by TJH
I completley disagree!! You want a pet get a pet! Leave the coon dogs alone!!!!!! Way to many different types of breeds of dogs out there to be selling or giving them away as pets!!!!!! On top of that think about the years and years it takes to create a sucsessfull line of dogs just to see it destroyed by making some of them pets!!!! Why anyone would want a coonhound as a pet is beyond me.

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i just dont like it when folks act like they are hunters and will be going to a hunting home and that is not really the case. be up front if you aint going to hunt the pup and that you are in it for the money or just a pet. i put too much time an resources into a litter for them to never be given a chance.

thats why im not a big fan of pictures on this website, they certainly can tell a story far from the actual truth.

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For the record i can't stand it when people dont even give a dog chance SHOW PEOPLE!!!!!!!! If you hunt them and show them then that's great but if you just bred and or raised a dog just to be a show dog then i have ZERO respect for that and i will speak out against those that do. There coonhounds for a reason!!!!! Want to show????? Get a American Eskimo they make fine show dogs and leave the coon hounds alone!!!!!!!!!

If there are pups to cull and you can find folks who understand hunting dogs why not let them take or buy one? I agree that it would be bad for the breeds if they become a fad type of dog and the price went up on no count hounds. I wouldn't see sending one off to live with folks who are clueless to hounds or large hunting dogs. Or to anyone looking to breed someone's cull, just neutralize the reproductive hardware and let them enjoy raising a hound. The qualities of a hound with an even temperment and healthy genes makes them a good option for some folks who want a dog. Not everyone but a few can make it work.

I won't say I would never do it but at the same time I think it will seldom turn out good. It sure doesn't meet my goals and purpose for the pups I raise to have them end up being nothing more than pets.

Those that will pay a good price for a coonhound puppy for a pet for the most part don't know what they are getting in to. Same goes for any pup they get. Many of these pets will get dumped or cast off at some point in their life and be pawned off on someone else another time.

There's a chance that at some point along the way the dog will be described as formerly being owned by hunters that mistreated and abused it. Only one side to that story ever gets told but I don't want anything I raise to end up being a burden on someone else or fuel for the animal rights wackos.

If someone just wants a dog to love there are plenty out there that are capable of doing that for little or nothing.

Its impossible to completely control who gets pups or know what they will do with them but I try hard to make my pups attractive to coonhunters and unattractive to anyone else.

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I think as a Breeder having a Pup go as a Pet and Becoming a Full Member of a Family means alot to your Breeding Program ..

I have had 2 go as pets .. One now Bird Hunts with their owner and does a good job.. lol and Has a Fixed position on the Cover some Hounding Calenders...

The other "the whole Family came to pick out a Hound Pup for one of their Daughters" to be Her Pet She allways wanted a Long Eared Hound . Then that Hound Pup Tought this 12 year old Girl to Squirrel Hunt (He would Tree Them All Day Long) .. And over the last 2-1/2 years I get e-mails with Photos and a nice letter about their Squirrel Hunting trips ...

I have 2 pups in Search and Rescue .. Part Pet and Part of the Hardest Hunting their is ... Finding the Lost ..

As a Breeder you have to Know your Producing Safe and Highly Trainable Hounds that Family's with very small childern can be Trusted around ...

Just Ask Stan - MDBLOODTRACKER .. 4 Young Girls (Man I feel for Him) that love their Hound ...

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H


Just Ask Stan - MDBLOODTRACKER .. 4 Young Girls (Man I feel for Him) that love their Hound ...

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Coonhounds don't make good pets for most people .. b/c most people don't understand you can't just open the door let them out to pee and they will stay around the yard. Sure the very odd person will keep them chained/kenneled like they should be and they do make good pets, but that is rare.
I will not sell a pup to anyone for a pet.

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well if i raise some pups an i sell one to the man down the road i dont care if he wonts to pat an rub it till the day its dies (( AS LONG AS ITS NOT BEIN MISTREATED)) for all the ones that disagree well you must think the same bout beagles an birddogs anyother dogs that was bred for a reason ......... my grand pa has 2 hounds he dose not hunt them anymore cause he not able to but he still likes to have them around an some people just like the bark an looks in a hound or whatever you like but i guess some people wouldnt understand that

I have to agree with Autumn and Bawl Track, most folks are not ready to be responsible for a dog that has as much hunt drive as a coonhound and having one around is something that I enjoy whether it is a serious hunting hound or just so so. For those on here who compete and take their hunting as more than simple pleasure hunting then I can see why they will think making a pet out of a hound is watering down the breed. I will speak from what we do in keeping one for a pet and once in while hunting buddy. There are lots of breeds that could fill this for us, we took time looking and settled on getting a coon hound. Since she was a grade cross of bluetick and english we followed what the breeder asked and had her spayed. She is good to have around and our boys, ages 13 and 6 find her to be just right for getting rowdy in the house or taking her off lead when we have time to get out further into the country. We have a stake and chain for outside time right in front of the house. Part of her circle area is paved in concrete silo staves so what grass would be there is not a mud hole. I am sure there's those who think we have more dog than we need but it suits us and that's all we care about. I have no problem with those who keep hounds in runs or on chain to just hunt. As long as there is food, water and a dry spot to sleep out of the wind it ain't my business.

I have denied a pup to a guy who wanted a pet. It was the next to last litter off of Moose and it was my females 1st breeding so I wanted them to go to hunting homes to see what they would become. I have her bred now to Wipeout Wells Fargo, and would like for them to all go to hunting homes as well. I guess for me it would depend on what the pups were out of, and who was wanting it for a pet. I would rather see them in a good family home as a pet as I had standing on a chain starving and never hunted by someone who was a "coon hunter".

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Always interesting...

...as a Pet coonhound owner, rare coon hunter just cause of health... and past(and future I hope) foster home for BnT rescue... I have lots of mixed feelings.
PETS... I LOVE ours BUT I agree 100% they are NOT for everyone...you HAVE to be SMARTER than they are! Even fostering them to BE good pets(if not raised from day one in a house) is "interesting"... They are LOUD... and not all neighborhoods will welcome them. THEY get BORED easily. They CAN be great pets and lots of folks we know keep their hunting dawgs inside so they are WORKING pets. That is what my bluedawg did in his past home before he retired. HE was already a GREAT pet and we make sure he "hunts" in his own way here and is NEVER bored.
Breeding coonhounds... i do NOT think they should be BRED just for pets... they are a dime a dozen and TONS can be found in rescue, shelters and rescues. SO... I do NOT think they should be bred as pets BUT that the "culls" can make pets with CARE. I don't tend to like them bred Just to show either since I would LOVE to see them all dual purpose BUT... not all can hunt(humans that is)... and still love to do hounds... That is a whole nuther thread though...
I don't see a problem with breeders NOT selling to NON hunting homes. It is THEIR choice. I don't see a problem with them selling to pet homes and encouraging STRONGLY spay neuter... to keep them outta the gene pool.
NOW... if you wanna talk about how grumpy I get about shelters and rescues not adopting to hunters...
I just don't like generalization... what can I say???? It gets me Grumpy when people think all hunters are bad at caring for hounds etc... but that's a nuther thread too
There is NO shortage of coonhounds for the petowners... it would be kind for more of them to check out a shelter and tackle an older dog if they're willing(and crazy enough ).... I know I LOVE having an mature retired hunting dawg in my home... but I also LOVE the thrill of a hunt too... I bet there are a few hunters on here who would actually LOVE their dogs to end up in a home like ours..even if they ARE "just pets"....
HappyHunting and Breeding... Heather

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I tend to seperate this question into two categories...1. Can a hound from hunting stock make a pet? 2. Does the breeder even want to try and make them a pet? My answer to the first question is yes, they can make pets. Coonhounds, with individual attention, socialization, etc. can make a fine pet. They are very versatile in this respect and it is something that many breeders should be proud of. The second question.....its entirely upto the breeder to do what he wants, when he wants, and with whomever he wants. Its his work, his money and his time spent. He/she can decide whatever they choose. I wish that I could tell you how many people have been surprised to hear that my house pet is a 5 year old daughter of a 2x winning hog hunting dog from Mexico. Prior to that, it was a daughter of Ch. Chinaman who died at the ripe age of 14. Both fine housepets as thats what they were raised as from the beginning. The same can be done with hounds, start 'em early and as long as a person knows animal husbandry and to keep them a "dog" and not a person, they should be fine.

"WOW"!!

I've had coonhound's in the house for all of 25 year's. I did say "Coonhound's". All where Dual Grand that made it all by hangin inside from the time they run loose till they passed & some of the current one's are workin on it.

I currently keep five in the house 8 month's to 3 1/2 years old. I can let the whole bunch out at once with the other half dozen that's already runnin loose & no worries of them takin off.

Every one know's their name clearly & respond's when it's used. A snap of my finger's & pointin is generally all that's needed. Put the trackin collar's on & let'um out to wait impatiently for me to get ready. Get home & they head to the pond to get a drink & rite back to the house. In the same sense I can head a certain way & hiss'um out by name & their gone like a bottle rocket but only the one's that are told to. Behave better than any shitzoo & majority of the kid's.

Now, would I sell one as a pet? I might depending on the litter but as of yet I have never done it but never been asked to I guess.

Intelligent hound's with the proper personalities are wonderful pet's no matter what some may think. Of course them wound up golfball's that ricochet off the kennel & run thru their own crap ain't gonna cut'er but them kind ain't fixin 'ta eat my dogfood either way.

Don't knock it if'n you ain't done it. Come to the house & I'll show you a dozen with no lead's that are all nudgin me to get petted at the same time.

Get's me a grinnin every mornin for breakfast!

I'll kill everyone before they go as pets. People wonder why some of the dogs of today aren't like yesteryears dogs when they were bred for a purpose TO HUNT. This is why i believe people shouldn't breed dogs unless they know what they are doing !!! JMO

Gezz what ever happened to the Bluetick,Black and Tan, Walker and Redbone that would sleep on the front Porch till they saw you walk out the door with your Light and Gun..
Well I can tell you this I still Breed This type of hound !!
You should see it in My house when I just Reach for a Tracking Collar !!

I have a Rule here the First 4 hounds to stick their heads in the Tracking Collars as I take them Down off the Shelf are the Hounds huntng that night.. The Wife gets to put up with all the Wining and Crying as I leave.. LOL

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If they pay the $$$$$$$$$$$ they can do as they wish. JMO

cant do it...
I want my female's pups to goto huntin homes.
if they dont get the chance what are they gonna make.?
the next generation of stray dogs

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