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Posted by Tony Dominguez on 03-11-2014 05:37 PM:

Question to UKC hunters!

Do yall think UKC should have a rule that you can bring a panel back to the woods to score a tree? Don't y'all think it'd save a lot of crooked scored trees?!?!?! Whoever the panel rules against gets a little probation time or sideline time, this would be a great idea JUST MY OPINION, because I know I'm not the only 1 that has been brother in lawed on a vote scoring the tree. What's y'all's opinions? Please NO negative comments

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Posted by K. Singletary on 03-11-2014 05:49 PM:

IMO, finding an unbiased panel at a local hunt is next to impossible.

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Posted by 1nighthunter on 03-11-2014 05:50 PM:

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Posted by Tony Dominguez on 03-11-2014 05:50 PM:

$KC does it all the time

Posted by Bengie Bengala on 03-11-2014 05:52 PM:

Tony I agree with you.

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Posted by T Burton on 03-11-2014 06:39 PM:

Handler mis conduct section on the back of the card that would kill the cast works great in CHKC but it works both ways if they can find no wrong doing you get some time off

Posted by john Duemmer on 03-11-2014 06:57 PM:

It only works if you have to lay down some cash to do it.

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Posted by kenney Clark on 03-11-2014 07:47 PM:

No. Why should innocent people have to waste there time and gas about a dog that don't belong to them and most important why should anyone have to look at a tree that a bunch of knuckleheads can't score correctly. ? Common sense . plus . minus . or circle. You vote. There are rules in play in case of tie.

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Posted by Tony Dominguez on 03-11-2014 08:07 PM:

I feel you should be able to question a tree with the fact of laying 25$ down & if your correct & the panel rules with you, you get your $ back! Common sense ain't so common nowadays

Posted by prostockpat on 03-11-2014 08:25 PM:

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Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
I feel you should be able to question a tree with the fact of laying 25$ down & if your correct & the panel rules with you, you get your $ back! Common sense ain't so common nowadays

Be 1 way to beat the "buddy system"!
Been "beat" by it a cpl. times myself.

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Posted by Bengie Bengala on 03-11-2014 08:55 PM:

It would make guys think twice before they vote with their buddy and screw somebody over. Vote the right way or there's a chance someone will put their money up and bring the panel out and somebody's getting suspended. It's not about common sense, it's about keeping people honest. We all know theirs some guys at these hunts that need help in that department.

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 03-11-2014 09:20 PM:

Just think of how many trees people think get scored wrong. In my opinion just do away with circle points. The tree is either a plus, minus, or deleted. If it is a den and no coon seen on the outside then it would be deleted. If there is no visible hole or nest in the tree and no coon is seen then it would be minused. Way to many trees that should be minused are circled. Again these are just my opinions. Taking a panel back to the woods still does not mean that a tree would be scored correctly. It is hard enough to get enough guides within a decent driving distance from the clubs so why have a panel travel an hour away to score a tree and have to extend the deadline to go look at a tree that may or may not have any bearing on the outcome of a cast.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-11-2014 09:30 PM:

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Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
Just think of how many trees people think get scored wrong. In my opinion just do away with circle points. The tree is either a plus, minus, or deleted. If it is a den and no coon seen on the outside then it would be deleted. If there is no visible hole or nest in the tree and no coon is seen then it would be minused. Way to many trees that should be minused are circled. Again these are just my opinions. Taking a panel back to the woods still does not mean that a tree would be scored correctly. It is hard enough to get enough guides within a decent driving distance from the clubs so why have a panel travel an hour away to score a tree and have to extend the deadline to go look at a tree that may or may not have any bearing on the outcome of a cast.

Not really much difference between circle and delete, circle points are the 4th tie breaker, you could compete for a lifetime and never have circle points matter.

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Posted by Mark V. on 03-12-2014 12:41 AM:

In UKC I haven't had that many isues were a panel could reverse a call. Most of the time you are just outvoted. With a nonhunting judge it can go bad very quickly, I would rather have a hunting judge( I do not want to believe 3 other handlers could look me in the eye and screw me! Just becouse the vote doesn't go your way doesn't mean you got screwed)

Posted by Robert Johnson on 03-12-2014 02:27 AM:

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Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
$KC does it all the time

Tony if you want to PKC stay there. UKC has no room for a panel at a tree. In fact, I have hunted both for quite some time, and taking a panel to a tree is absolutely the stupidest idea i have ever seen. Does one think for a minute that the coon will still be there when you get back, if it ever was to start with? To many flaws, and its a real good way to cheat and get somebody barred, whisch is what the place to be seems to want to do with that rule. KEEP IT THERE IN YOUR PLACE BE.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-12-2014 02:52 AM:

Most times the tree scoring isn't a issue of Wether a coon is there or not. Its an issue of being slick or circled and another issue of if the other handlers want to risk it. It will take away the cheats most times. They want minus a tree they know dern well will be circled if a panel sees it and risk having to sit on the sidelines for a while because of it. Using the hunt director format. You already have to put up money for a question. I see no reason why not to take the panel back out just in case. It will hardly ever be done. Just keeps folks more honest.

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Posted by pure chaos on 03-12-2014 04:22 AM:

Yes

Posted by coonhunter1287 on 03-12-2014 05:20 AM:

I personally agree with tony. There should be a panel in ukc that could return to a tree. I have seen hunts where it would have put a hurting on the buddy system. Went to a hunt one night and drew a father and son. Talk about interesting. There dogs treed up a tree as big as a telephone pole and it had a hole about waste high a chipmunk couldn't crawl in and they circled it. There are less issues in pkc because they dont allow the bullcrap. If you pull something stupid in pkc you get probation if you do it in ukc you make a nitech

Posted by joey on 03-12-2014 05:31 AM:

I was the second person in $kc to take a panel back to the woods. They never even put there lights in my tree. It was a HUGE oak in full summer time. No way in the world it was anything but a circle tree. They screwed up because I could see the truck from the tree and we were only 4 miles from the club. You should of seen their faces when I said I was bringing the panel back. The panel told me I couldn't make them go back. They called and got hold of Larry Meeks. He told them if I felt like I was being cheated to go look at the tree. Then he told them if it was a circle to right the other three up. If it was minus then right me up. It took the panel about two minutes to decide the other three were getting wrote up.

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Posted by kydirtdog44 on 03-12-2014 05:06 PM:

like it or not panels should be allowed to return to trees in the event of cheateing..... i hunt both kcs but i perfer pkc the people are better people,, they know and understant the rules better ,, for instance just about every ukc hunt i hunted in there was a ?? or two... we had our pkc ky state hunt this past weekend we hunted over 100 entries not includeing the top 16 state dogs and the ky state youth dogs ...... NOT A SINGLE ? NOT ONE... if this was a ukc hunt we would still be haveing panels today.... i love getting on this forum just to read some of the ?? asked omy good lord....like one for instance was asked recently.... what bloodline of walkers are better for hunting feeders.... lmbo on that one lol

Posted by K. Singletary on 03-12-2014 05:41 PM:

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like it or not panels should be allowed to return to trees in the event of cheateing..... i hunt both kcs but i perfer pkc the people are better people,, they know and understant the rules better ,, for instance just about every ukc hunt i hunted in there was a ?? or two... we had our pkc ky state hunt this past weekend we hunted over 100 entries not includeing the top 16 state dogs and the ky state youth dogs ...... NOT A SINGLE ? NOT ONE... if this was a ukc hunt we would still be haveing panels today.... i love getting on this forum just to read some of the ?? asked omy good lord....like one for instance was asked recently.... what bloodline of walkers are better for hunting feeders.... lmbo on that one lol

I've hunted UKC for 24 years and my casts have taken back 3 questions in all that time. Nothing like trying to make a point though right......

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Posted by JiM on 03-12-2014 05:55 PM:

Kenny, you prolly judged most if those casts didn't you? A strong judge that is known and respected for knowing the rules will reduce questions to a number that starts with a decimal point in front of it.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 03-12-2014 06:03 PM:

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Kenny, you prolly judged most if those casts didn't you? A strong judge that is known and respected for knowing the rules will reduce questions to a number that starts with a decimal point in front of it.

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 03-12-2014 07:08 PM:

I like a few others on here hunt more $kc than ukc (got a pup coming up though so watch out !) I've sat on a few panels & I have never been on a cast in any kc that came in with a question & I attend alot of hunts . Back in the fall I was on a panel that was sent out to judge a tree only problem was that this man did not mark the tree with his own garmin , he had relied on a 13 yr old boy to do it . After all the fuss & driving we had no tree to check out when we got there which was probably best for all those involved . The pro of having this option of taking a panel back out is that very few will not call it like it is during hunt time . In Pkc if a panel goes & inspects a tree & rules the other way , the offending party or parties can be barred (cuts out on over use & bogus questions) it is told up front before you go back out to look at the tree about the chance of being barred . I will say that a person having to put up hard earned money to have a question heard cuts out on alot of the non learning of rules & misinterpetation that happens in UKC & with the threat of being barred on whether it's a circle or a plus very seldom is a tree not called correctly by all cast members - no one wants a panel to go back out to the tree unless they are 100% sure it was called wrong .

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Posted by K. Singletary on 03-12-2014 07:16 PM:

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Kenny, you prolly judged most if those casts didn't you? A strong judge that is known and respected for knowing the rules will reduce questions to a number that starts with a decimal point in front of it.

Probably 95% of them in the last 20 years, but it is rare to see questions being brought back by any casts on local hunts. Now a big hunt like the Grand American is a different story. The other registry is no different though, normally have several questions at the Jasper Jamboree. My theory is when there is more to gain, there will be more questions in any of them. Saw some absolutely crazy questions at a few of the world hunts we hosted.

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