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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 01-08-2019 04:07 PM:

Both sides of the fence?

It is sad to read this message board following a large hunt. It seems that no matter how hard the KC works at putting on a quality hunt. There is always one or two things that give the Hunt a Black Eye. In most cases on this board or social media there is one side of the story and then the other side of the story. Somewhere in the middle there is the truth but it is so covered up by opinions from those not even understanding the situation. That after a few days it isn't even important.

I would like to share a few things, not about which side is right or wrong. But what you can and should do to protect yourself. Yes I know we live in a world that we have given all our power to others. People think they are doing that, trying to be kind. I believe strongly in being KIND and HELPING OTHERS. But you have to be KIND and STRONG to yourself first. Then you can help others.
1. We have said it a hundred times on here. Learn the rules. JiM made an excellent point the last time this was mentioned that you have to go to some hunts not knowing the application of the rules and wanting to learn through seeing the rules played out. I agree, but don't go there with a know it all attitude and that every rule used was used to cheat your or your dog. Go there to learn and while you're learning. Learn how to loose, even if you feel it wasn't deserved.
2. Don't ever go to a hunt expecting the competition to find your coon and hand you a win. There are plenty of men that will do that for you. But it is important for you to have a light your are comfortable with and the ability to find the coon yourself.
3. Don't ever travel to a large hunt that has satellite clubs off the grounds 1-2 hours or more away and expect to catch a ride. Why should you even expect someone to travel 2 hours or more out of their way to see you get back to where you came from. FL is out of the loop and all large hunts are many hours away. Many guys ride to the hunt together but the smart ones have a rental truck waiting for one of them when they get there.

You have to protect yourself and be strong. If things don't go as planned. Blame yourself and rethink what you did. It has never been anyone else's problem or fault that a cast wasn't won by one of my dogs. Please don't confuse being strong to mean not to be kind and helpful to others. The stronger you are the kinder and more helpful you can be and still accomplish your goals.

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-08-2019 04:28 PM:

Real men and handling bad situations the right way went out the window with the 3 hr hunts jmo.

Tar

Posted by Doug Robinson on 01-08-2019 05:38 PM:

?????

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Real men and handling bad situations the right way went out the window with the 3 hr hunts jmo.

Tar

That is not true, as Bruce said there are still a lot of honest and helpful men out there has nothing to do with real men hunted 3 hrs. Remember we older guys set the example for the younger guys coming up.

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 01-08-2019 05:45 PM:

Re: ?????

quote:
Originally posted by Doug Robinson
That is not true, as Bruce said there are still a lot of honest and helpful men out there has nothing to do with real men hunted 3 hrs. Remember we older guys set the example for the younger guys coming up.

Exactly Doug.
Good post Bruce.

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-08-2019 05:49 PM:

The kc's tolerate more now then they did back then because they are fighting for revenue! I don't know if you are one or not but become a moh and see how you are handcuffed when dealing with bad situations. When I came up there was a bunch of war veterans and they ment what they said. They told you to leave you left and you did not come back till you got invited simple as that !!

Tar

Posted by Dave Richards on 01-08-2019 08:02 PM:

Bruce Conkey

Excellent post, excellent advise! Dave

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Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 01-08-2019 08:20 PM:

Re: Both sides of the fence?

quote:
Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
It is sad to read this message board following a large hunt. It seems that no matter how hard the KC works at putting on a quality hunt. There is always one or two things that give the Hunt a Black Eye. In most cases on this board or social media there is one side of the story and then the other side of the story. Somewhere in the middle there is the truth but it is so covered up by opinions from those not even understanding the situation. That after a few days it isn't even important.

I would like to share a few things, not about which side is right or wrong. But what you can and should do to protect yourself. Yes I know we live in a world that we have given all our power to others. People think they are doing that, trying to be kind. I believe strongly in being KIND and HELPING OTHERS. But you have to be KIND and STRONG to yourself first. Then you can help others.
1. We have said it a hundred times on here. Learn the rules. JiM made an excellent point the last time this was mentioned that you have to go to some hunts not knowing the application of the rules and wanting to learn through seeing the rules played out. I agree, but don't go there with a know it all attitude and that every rule used was used to cheat your or your dog. Go there to learn and while you're learning. Learn how to loose, even if you feel it wasn't deserved.
2. Don't ever go to a hunt expecting the competition to find your coon and hand you a win. There are plenty of men that will do that for you. But it is important for you to have a light your are comfortable with and the ability to find the coon yourself.
3. Don't ever travel to a large hunt that has satellite clubs off the grounds 1-2 hours or more away and expect to catch a ride. Why should you even expect someone to travel 2 hours or more out of their way to see you get back to where you came from. FL is out of the loop and all large hunts are many hours away. Many guys ride to the hunt together but the smart ones have a rental truck waiting for one of them when they get there.

You have to protect yourself and be strong. If things don't go as planned. Blame yourself and rethink what you did. It has never been anyone else's problem or fault that a cast wasn't won by one of my dogs. Please don't confuse being strong to mean not to be kind and helpful to others. The stronger you are the kinder and more helpful you can be and still accomplish your goals.

Great post!

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

Posted by Chuck Allen on 01-09-2019 01:44 AM:

Tar , I don't think they understand that in the end at this rate the numbers will continue to drop and folks like You and Preacher Tom and I will still be hunting our Swamp Rabbit /Possum dogs by Jerry Clower RKC rules drinking coffee , RC Colas and snacking on moon pies. Honest clubs are still out there and so are Honest Men and Women. But folks like us are just big dummies , THAT DON'T KNOW NUTHIN. LOL! I hope you get your Truck going soon buddy. Waiting on the President's address , then going hunting.

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Posted by JiM on 01-09-2019 01:53 AM:

Great post Bruce. No one says it better. And a few shouldn't say it at all.

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-09-2019 02:25 AM:

Clearly Jim you don't get out much ! although I respect your opinion you should be able to see that everthing ain't as groovy as it once was. There are no boundrys anymore and until you get off your bum and get out there in it you will never get a clear picture of how it is.

Fellow Hoosier

Tar

Posted by JiM on 01-09-2019 03:07 AM:

You always seem to make my point for me.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 01-09-2019 04:46 AM:

My kids have been told a few times that a lack of planning on their part does not constitute a mistake on mine. With that said they were also taught as was I and many others (thankfully) to offer a hand up to your fellow man to help when you can, true sportsmanship, honestly, integrity the list goes on.
Though the rules in place do not force you to show your fellow hunters a coon they do have all be able to shine a tree after 2 minutes. Do you think this rule was put in place for them to twiddle their thumbs or actually try to help?
Though the rules do not force you to offer a ride to your fellow hunters it does have specifications if not all make it ti the woods on what to do along with specific rules for withdrawing. Do you think these rules were put in place so that some could intentionally leave others behind.
How many suffer from night blindness while driving at night and choose to ride with others for medical reasons? How many though they very much enjoy the sport and are an asset to it would be eliminated if every thought like a few because they choose to ride along for financial reasons. If you can't help out your own who can you help? Some of us see this hand up and being good sportsmen and stewards of this sport not an option even though the rules do not force it upon one. Do not make excuses for those who choose to be contrary to everything good you find here. Many of you need to walk in someone else's shoes for awhile because life lessons you should have learned as children have slipped your mind.
Back in September two young men 22 and 24 made it to the World Championship and choose to ride to the World hunt together it was safer and cheaper. One has a young family the other a recent college grad just starting out. They live less than 3 miles apart. I know of several others that did the same some sleeping in their trucks on the grounds. God help us if the people more fortunate in this sport had decided to deny any one there a ride to the woods. No one was left on the grounds with no ride because of the graciousness of others, a wonderful thing. Great fellowship was had at this hunt and new friends were made and old friends revisited.
No rules force you to be the nice guy or offer help to a fellow hunter but nothing is stopping anyone either.
None of this gives a specific kennel club a black eye it gives the sport as a whole one.
Kindness is not anyone's responsibility and none is required but when one can no longer do the right thing it may be best to just stay home.

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Posted by Team Mafia 2 on 01-09-2019 06:49 AM:

Some of the comments I’ve read in the past few days have really opened my eyes to how terrible some of our fellow hunters have been raised. There is no excuse to be a jerk. I do my best to get along with everyone all the time. I’ll give rides offer to buy you a pop if we stop at a store basically whatever you may need I’ll do. I’ve found coons ran down dogs on time out. Heck this year at the world hunt I let a boy I was beating on tie breaker cut back loose with me heads up when all I had to do was stand at the base of a den tree and let the hunt run out and I win. You guys do it for the wrong reasons. I just thrive off the competition the more that’s on the line the more I like it. I’ll hunt off every $$$ Hunt I can just to get one more round. Now with that being said if you treat me like some of these guys apparently treat people you better break out your pocket knife or get whatever you think you need to make it fair because it’s time to fight and that’s the only thingthat excites me more than lining dogs up.

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-09-2019 08:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
You always seem to make my point for me.

Your welcome lol !

Tar

Posted by Chuck Allen on 01-09-2019 09:29 AM:

Well said Dalton. And Tar , God will bless you for being polite and you are buddy , one can be both blunt and polite , the good Lord knows us all because he made us all and some he made with no tact whatsoever , Tar , You and I came out of that mold. On a good note made a den and a real live raccoon tonight after 2 REAL COLD tracks , even the best possum dogs can tree a coon once in a while. LOL

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 01-09-2019 11:03 AM:

Right now I have a truck being used by a young hunter. He has had it for a couple weeks and just a few days ago I told him I needed it for tonight due to a small competition hunt we are having and I want it here to take anyone needed to the woods. I am so thankful that God has given me a heart that wants to help my fellow man and a means to do so. With that said. I am not one that puts my ability to perform in the hands of anyone else but God and myself. I have been blessed many times with people showing up when I am in need and I am very Thankful for that. It just I don't plan it that way and I sure don't get excited if it doesn't work that way. I sure won't give anyone else the advise to rely on someone else. Because out there in this world we all don't hold hands and sing together. In a small way my effort to change that is doing the right thing and hopefully someone follows my lead. If they don't, then it is on them.

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Posted by Jugheadmiller on 01-09-2019 12:10 PM:

Good post. People don't need to be a jerk about things like this

Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 01-09-2019 01:30 PM:

Ms Cummings,
You are so quick to point fingers at those not giving rides to those that had them pointing out that maybe the people isn’t financially able to drive all over the country. Has it occurred to you that maybe the guide doesn’t have the money to haul someone back to the club? Help others when you can is a good thing. It is not mandatory to be a good sportsman. One thing that is hurting our sport is people not preparing themselves and bashing others for their mistakes all over social media.

The incident that started all this is a newly married very good gentleman that hasn’t seen his wife all week due to her being out of town, guided a cast for a friend and his local club to help put on the biggest hunt in the state. While driving a piece of truck(he sold his new truck just before getting married). Another guy chooses to ride with a friend and calls everyone unsportsmanlike jerks because they won’t give him a ride. So, all of y’all so called go people are with the guy that thinks he is entitled to a free ride and bash the guy who actually was doing a good thing, he was already helping friends, club, hunters, UKC put on a good hunt. Y’all high and mighty people are something. I stay down here helping people that NEED help when I can and let y’all claim to help everyone that WANTS and EXPECTS help do to them NOT preparing themselves.

Posted by yadkintar on 01-09-2019 01:39 PM:

Bruce serious question. A lot of clubs have quit holding their day events. Coon in a log , treeing contest , swim race , even the bench shows that kept ( family's ) all day long they visited with each other , ate , even prayed together. Maybe clubs need to work at bringing those things back. I for one have a lot of fond memories of those things now they just come to the hunt and go home. Bring back the grade hunts have a grade ukc title just cost you to get it.

To have good ole family fun you got to have some good ole family fun don't you ?

Tar

Posted by yadkintar on 01-09-2019 01:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Kenneth Tavares
Ms Cummings,
You are so quick to point fingers at those not giving rides to those that had them pointing out that maybe the people isn’t financially able to drive all over the country. Has it occurred to you that maybe the guide doesn’t have the money to haul someone back to the club? Help others when you can is a good thing. It is not mandatory to be a good sportsman. One thing that is hurting our sport is people not preparing themselves and bashing others for their mistakes all over social media.

The incident that started all this is a newly married very good gentleman that hasn’t seen his wife all week due to her being out of town, guided a cast for a friend and his local club to help put on the biggest hunt in the state. While driving a piece of truck(he sold his new truck just before getting married). Another guy chooses to ride with a friend and calls everyone unsportsmanlike jerks because they won’t give him a ride. So, all of y’all so called go people are with the guy that thinks he is entitled to a free ride and bash the guy who actually was doing a good thing, he was already helping friends, club, hunters, UKC put on a good hunt. Y’all high and mighty people are something. I stay down here helping people that NEED help when I can and let y’all claim to help everyone that WANTS and EXPECTS help do to them NOT preparing themselves.

Kenneth let it go you made your point do what you believe in it gets me in hot water all the time lol.

Tar

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 01-09-2019 04:28 PM:

No Kenneth what really got me riled up had nothing to do with the goings on at GA it was when individuals admitted that no matter the circumstances they will not give a ride to a fellow hunter ever. None ever responded back as to whether or not they accept rides when the hunt is over back to their truck. Quite a double standard. My point on every post I have made is for everyone to practice good sportsmanship every chance they get. Can you imagine how much more pleasant this coon hunting world would be. I have invite you multiple times to post any ideas of your own you may have that would contribute to it and so far you haven't. Once again do you or any others have any suggestions?

Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 01-09-2019 05:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
No Kenneth what really got me riled up had nothing to do with the goings on at GA it was when individuals admitted that no matter the circumstances they will not give a ride to a fellow hunter ever. None ever responded back as to whether or not they accept rides when the hunt is over back to their truck. Quite a double standard. My point on every post I have made is for everyone to practice good sportsmanship every chance they get. Can you imagine how much more pleasant this coon hunting world would be. I have invite you multiple times to post any ideas of your own you may have that would contribute to it and so far you haven't. Once again do you or any others have any suggestions?

Yes I have a great idea! Everyone drive your own truck, bring your own Garmin collars and Alpha/Astro and light. Be a sportsman by following the rules and helping other find their coon and dogs. Now that is he sportsmanship everyone should and can follow.

Posted by 2nd Mac on 01-09-2019 05:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
Some of the comments I’ve read in the past few days have really opened my eyes to how terrible some of our fellow hunters have been raised. There is no excuse to be a jerk. I do my best to get along with everyone all the time. I’ll give rides offer to buy you a pop if we stop at a store basically whatever you may need I’ll do. I’ve found coons ran down dogs on time out. Heck this year at the world hunt I let a boy I was beating on tie breaker cut back loose with me heads up when all I had to do was stand at the base of a den tree and let the hunt run out and I win. You guys do it for the wrong reasons. I just thrive off the competition the more that’s on the line the more I like it. I’ll hunt off every $$$ Hunt I can just to get one more round. Now with that being said if you treat me like some of these guys apparently treat people you better break out your pocket knife or get whatever you think you need to make it fair because it’s time to fight and that’s the only thingthat excites me more than lining dogs up.

Posted by 2nd Mac on 01-09-2019 05:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
Some of the comments I’ve read in the past few days have really opened my eyes to how terrible some of our fellow hunters have been raised. There is no excuse to be a jerk. I do my best to get along with everyone all the time. I’ll give rides offer to buy you a pop if we stop at a store basically whatever you may need I’ll do. I’ve found coons ran down dogs on time out. Heck this year at the world hunt I let a boy I was beating on tie breaker cut back loose with me heads up when all I had to do was stand at the base of a den tree and let the hunt run out and I win. You guys do it for the wrong reasons. I just thrive off the competition the more that’s on the line the more I like it. I’ll hunt off every $$$ Hunt I can just to get one more round. Now with that being said if you treat me like some of these guys apparently treat people you better break out your pocket knife or get whatever you think you need to make it fair because it’s time to fight and that’s the only thingthat excites me more than lining dogs up.

Posted by shadinc on 01-09-2019 05:49 PM:

I never gave much thought to giving or getting rides at hunts. This past summer two friends and I left Baton Rouge for the Utchman Memorial Hunt in Missouri. About 500 miles. Should we have gone in three trucks?

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