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Posted by coonbone on 06-23-2015 08:12 PM:

Hawk,or Chief?

If you could relive the eighties,would you want a pup out of Hawk,or Chief,and why?

Posted by southernthunder on 06-23-2015 08:50 PM:

Hawk! he is still the highest percentage reproducer the bluetick breed has ever had. more balance hounds came from this line of dogs imo

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Posted by Tom Jones on 06-23-2015 08:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by southernthunder
Hawk! he is still the highest percentage reproducer the bluetick breed has ever had. more balance hounds came from this line of dogs imo

might want to check your %'s Eddie. he wasn't even the 3rd highest even when he was still on the list. scout is higher then hawk. I believe the manns spanky dog was aroun 18%. bullet and rambo2 are in the 12's.

to answer the question...............depends on what female lol

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Posted by southernthunder on 06-23-2015 09:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
might want to check your %'s Eddie. he wasn't even the 3rd highest even when he was still on the list. scout is higher then hawk. I believe the manns spanky dog was aroun 18%. bullet and rambo2 are in the 12's.

to answer the question...............depends on what female lol

I might be mistaken on percentages then lol...

Posted by Tom Jones on 06-23-2015 09:09 PM:

yep. he was at 10.6

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Posted by southernthunder on 06-23-2015 09:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
yep. he was at 10.6

overall on any gyp who do you think had better balance?

Posted by Tom Jones on 06-23-2015 09:28 PM:

never owned anything directly off of hawk. both have their place and made their mark. now days people claim chief through treedogs but didn't hawk and scout also? I do know that chief produced some track driving machines also and im sure hawk did as well.

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Posted by southernthunder on 06-23-2015 09:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
never owned anything directly off of hawk. both have their place and made their mark. now days people claim chief through treedogs but didn't hawk and scout also? I do know that chief produced some track driving machines also and im sure hawk did as well.

I agree!

Posted by Jm265 on 06-24-2015 12:16 AM:

What did Hawk look like?

Posted by southernthunder on 06-24-2015 12:55 AM:

Anyone got an old pic of Hawk?

Posted by coonbone on 06-24-2015 01:51 AM:

to answer the question...............depends on what female lol [/B][/QUOTE]

If they were bred to the same female.Which one would you want to build your kennel off of?

Posted by John Carroll on 06-24-2015 03:48 AM:

I liked pups out of Hawk.

He threw well balanced, good looking dogs that the average coon hunter could train.

Most of them weren't too trashy and were sensible.

Chief threw a lot of nice, well balanced dogs too.

I think Hawk dogs were superior in the mouth department to Chief dogs, on average.

I didn't like Scout pups nearly as well.

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Posted by Tom Jones on 06-24-2015 02:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by coonbone
to answer the question...............depends on what female lol

If they were bred to the same female.Which one would you want to build your kennel off of? [/B][/QUOTE]

lol it would still depend on the female................

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Posted by coonbone on 06-24-2015 03:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
If they were bred to the same female.Which one would you want to build your kennel off of?

lol it would still depend on the female................ [/B][/QUOTE]

The females name is Angel,she is sixty pounds,loud,full of heart,and desire,go younder,stay put tree dog.Dark in color,with long ears,and shes out of Roger Little Mac,and Sebastians Penny.

Posted by coonbone on 06-24-2015 05:47 PM:

know one has mentioned independence,or packing.What about drifting,layups,and hyper?

Posted by Tom Jones on 06-24-2015 06:52 PM:

I'd probably go with chief then since he would be a shorter drive lol. don't think you could go wrong with either and nobody would know until the pups where hunted which would cross best with the individual female right?

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Posted by Tom Jones on 06-24-2015 06:55 PM:

UTCHMANS HAWK

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Posted by coonbone on 06-24-2015 07:04 PM:

Is Davis Blue Scooter a litter mate to Hawk?

Posted by coonbone on 06-24-2015 08:31 PM:

Found the answer to my question.Scooter was out of Rebel,and Sadie Mae.Hawk was out of Rebel,and Carol.

Posted by Tom Jones on 06-24-2015 08:33 PM:

yep......I believe hawk was bred to Sadie may also though?

scooter was a bro. to harp. rvr. joe, castleberrys rebel 2

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Posted by southernthunder on 06-24-2015 09:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones

UTCHMANS HAWK

sure was a good looking sucker!

Posted by John Carroll on 06-24-2015 10:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by coonbone
know one has mentioned independence,or packing.What about drifting,layups,and hyper?

I would definitely give Chief the edge on layup ability by a strong margin.

Probably independence by a little.

But his pups were way more likely to be hyper than Hawk's.

And as for tracking ability and drifting, Hawk all the way.

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Posted by david woofter on 06-25-2015 12:04 AM:

Pups

Heck I will just take one out of both dogs. Both dogs made their mark in my opinion. Dave Woofter ( Bristol Ridge Kennels ) P.S. I am hunting one out of Zeb and two out of Jobe so I like the Uchtman bred Hounds. The reason I bred my Lou female to Ranger is he has both dogs in his Ped. Good luck with your hounds.

Posted by coonbone on 06-25-2015 03:19 AM:

So far: Hawk-louder,tracking,and drifting.
Chief-layup ability,hyper,Independence,treedog,tracking.

Does treedog mean stay put till daylight?

Posted by John Carroll on 06-25-2015 03:36 AM:

The Hawk dogs were by no means weak tree dogs.

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