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Posted by cartwright on 04-23-2012 04:01 AM:

Feeder bucket's shouldn't be allowed in a competetion hunt!!!

I would like to see all use of feeder bucket's banded... So many hunts today use feeder bucket's all the local guides hounds are used on the buckets on a regular basis and finish thier hounds by doing such. Most of these type hounds can't even strike a coon in wild let alone ever tree one. A porch poddle can tree a coon on a feeder bucket but does that make it a GRAND NITE CHAMPION coon hound? I don't think so.... Does a hound treeing a pop up coon off of a feeder bucket prove its ability to strike and tree a coon? It's not allowed in the UKC hunt test program so why are they allowed in nite hunts that really matter? Who decides on these rules and reguations anyways? If being the use of Feeder Bucket continue to be allowed then change the degree earned as being Feeder Bucket Champion... All coon hound breds are so far out of wack now you can't even hardely find a hound like we once had way back before registration papers and feeder buckets. We need to get back to our Heritage some way some how. For those who agree with this statement we can do our part if we work at it. So how many Houndsmen are out there or are we all just feeder bucketmen.....

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Posted by walker1978 on 04-23-2012 04:31 AM:

I don't hunt with feeder buckets or comp hunt but I do think that feeder buckets are a good way to get young dogs started. I know I spend a lot of time in the woods and come up with not getting treed. If I used feeder buckets it would sure help get my dogs doing better a lot quicker. I got my son a pup and I'm gonna put some out to get him started cause with my dog its been a hard road in thin coon and I feel she would be doing a lot better by now.

Posted by Al Medcalf on 04-23-2012 04:41 AM:

I don't competition hunt and only use feeders in the off season. I like to hunt young dogs off of them. But, how would you stop folks from hunting off buckets in competition hunts? All they would have to do is remove the buckets the afternoon before the hunt. I agree that it is unfair but I see no way to stop it. A smart dog knows where the bucket is just as well as his owner does.

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Posted by wakenda creek b on 04-23-2012 04:48 AM:

I just put 2 feeder buckets out about a month ago.I drop the young dogs off on them usually the first drop.I should have done it years ago.I wouldnt drop on them in a comp. hunt, i wouldnt think it would be fair.

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Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 04-23-2012 05:25 AM:

I like them in the summer time when it gets dark about 9 or so. Other then that they cost me more than I want to spend.

Posted by l.lyle on 04-23-2012 05:44 AM:

I have not used a feeder bucket in 15 years. I kill every coon I tree in the kill season because it is required of me where I hunt. Normally I have it timed to get a pup started running good and maybe treeing some by the time alligators come out and i quit and lay them up all summer. Plus the fact that I just don't like training pups in the summer in SC. Where I live the gators are not within a mile any direction but are everywhere where I normally hunt and kill.
But I goofed up this year timing wise. The pups I kept were born in July. only 4 months old in November. Kept three,another mistake. Still had one from last year to finnish too. My 97 year old mother now needs 24-7 attention and I do it 4 nights, which also cut down on the hunting the pups got.

In other words I am fixing to put out two buckets. One at the back of the pasture and one at the pecan orchard. I can stand on the front porch and see if eyes are at either. Up all night anyway with dear old mom I can slip out for 20- 30 minutes like that. I'll Keep inching those buckets further from the woods too so it is not a slam bam. Two or three times per pup all summer is all I want.

Feeder Comp Hunting is not a new arguement on here. Somebody will finally say that Wild Coons feed at Feeders LOL.

Somebody else is also right, there is no way to catch it if the bucket is gone by noon and the coon don't know it yet . LOL.

Posted by JSTARR on 04-23-2012 01:32 PM:

What is the difference in dropping on a feeder bucket,and dropping in a corn field?I dont have feeders but,I like going to them in hunts.My dog is going for the scent of a coon ,not the scent of the bucket.Most times there are so many tracks at feeders that some dogs look stupid anyway.

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Posted by cartwright on 04-23-2012 01:37 PM:

I have no problem with starting pups or pleasure hunting on them but you guys are missing my point alot of dogs are being granded out on feeder buckets and alot of these hounds can't tree a coon unless it is on a feeder bucket I have seen way to many times. Here in WV the coons are very thin but a real coon dog can get treed without a feeder bucket... Where bucket hound will not....

Posted by Fritz' Blitzin' on 04-23-2012 02:02 PM:

Feeder Buckets

Feeder buckets are alright to draw coons in. But once they figure on the bucket, and it's empty, I personally wait two days to drop in that immediate area. I don't shoot coons out often, (very rarely). Buckets ruin the dogs nose.
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Posted by patches9452 on 04-23-2012 02:13 PM:

i dont have any buckets but to tell the truth the few i have been cast on were some of the harder tracks to run

Posted by K. Singletary on 04-23-2012 02:17 PM:

When I go to a hunt, I want to tree a coon. IMO, there is nothing worse than wasting your time, entry fee money, and gas money on a dead cast. If a guide has to hunt a feeder to help the cast have a winner so be it, I'll gladly take my chances.

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Posted by Rough Northern on 04-23-2012 02:23 PM:

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What is the difference in dropping on a feeder bucket,and dropping in a corn field?

There's a huge difference. I think they should be outlawed to but it will never happen. Thats why I dont put any stock into big hunts that are not elimination type of an event.

I read where someone from the south was gonna guide off buckets at one of the zones this year. About made me puke!

Posted by Jonathan Crump on 04-23-2012 02:25 PM:

Cartwright I agree with you on the comp. hunting on feeders. We have two feeders out that we drop the dogs about 1/4 mile away from and they open or tree before they get to the feeder.

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Posted by osagebl on 04-23-2012 03:13 PM:

i went to a hunt a couple of weeks ago.night ch cast 2 walkers and 2 black-tans.all dogs had at least 1 win toward grand nt.frist drop small creek made 2 trees both slick.2nd drop was real rough feeders every where.1 dog minus out on frist drop.3 dogs stirke .dog1 is treed.4 minutes up he moves on out.dog2 is treed where dog 1 was at for 4 minutes.dogs 1 and 3 out of hearing ing windblowing.go to dog 2 tree is slick but2 trees over is a feeder and a coon in it.go to where dogs last heard dog1 is treed wait the 5 tree is slick but there is a feeder in that tree .but the next tree over is a coon and the trees are not touching any where.dog 3 is treed off to the east deep go to him he is treed and that tree is slick as well.but no coon seen any where.the feeders were no help to any of us the dogs just had a bad night.one guy drove over 200 miles to this hunt.

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Posted by cartwright on 04-23-2012 03:18 PM:

I bet you would have had a better night on wild coon that is a typical bucket drop

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i went to a hunt a couple of weeks ago.night ch cast 2 walkers and 2 black-tans.all dogs had at least 1 win toward grand nt.frist drop small creek made 2 trees both slick.2nd drop was real rough feeders every where.1 dog minus out on frist drop.3 dogs stirke .dog1 is treed.4 minutes up he moves on out.dog2 is treed where dog 1 was at for 4 minutes.dogs 1 and 3 out of hearing ing windblowing.go to dog 2 tree is slick but2 trees over is a feeder and a coon in it.go to where dogs last heard dog1 is treed wait the 5 tree is slick but there is a feeder in that tree .but the next tree over is a coon and the trees are not touching any where.dog 3 is treed off to the east deep go to him he is treed and that tree is slick as well.but no coon seen any where.the feeders were no help to any of us the dogs just had a bad night.one guy drove over 200 miles to this hunt.

Posted by patches9452 on 04-23-2012 03:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by osagebl
i went to a hunt a couple of weeks ago.night ch cast 2 walkers and 2 black-tans.all dogs had at least 1 win toward grand nt.frist drop small creek made 2 trees both slick.2nd drop was real rough feeders every where.1 dog minus out on frist drop.3 dogs stirke .dog1 is treed.4 minutes up he moves on out.dog2 is treed where dog 1 was at for 4 minutes.dogs 1 and 3 out of hearing ing windblowing.go to dog 2 tree is slick but2 trees over is a feeder and a coon in it.go to where dogs last heard dog1 is treed wait the 5 tree is slick but there is a feeder in that tree .but the next tree over is a coon and the trees are not touching any where.dog 3 is treed off to the east deep go to him he is treed and that tree is slick as well.but no coon seen any where.the feeders were no help to any of us the dogs just had a bad night.one guy drove over 200 miles to this hunt.

exactly my experience with feeder buckets in the hunts... it aint all gravy.... i hate em... my dog aint smart enough to tree a coon off of them

Posted by larry ross on 04-23-2012 03:35 PM:

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Posted by 1nighthunter on 04-23-2012 04:04 PM:

I do like them but not for the reason most of you all do a few years back I used them a lot especially in the spring started finding sick coons at my bucket took a couple that I found and some dead ones to a vet friend they had distemper
wiped out most of the coons on that farm distemper is worse in the spring than any other time of the so my ? is or we helping or hurting our coon population over all if they are coming in to a small area to feed what ever sickness one has they all will have including rabies

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-23-2012 05:20 PM:

I keep some full. If you ban em. Might as well ban all hunts up north in the coon zoo states. No different than hunting feeders.

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Posted by JiM on 04-23-2012 06:16 PM:

Everytime this subject comes up you have those saying ban them but not one of those guys ever bothers explaining how they would go about enforcing any such ban. Do they think they see every feeder out there? They do think ANYONE knows where every feeder is? What do you do when you have a good drop and then happen to walk past an unknown feeder on the way back to the truck? Any such ban would be completely impossible to enforce so why even bring it up?

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 04-23-2012 06:43 PM:

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Everytime this subject comes up you have those saying ban them but not one of those guys ever bothers explaining how they would go about enforcing any such ban. Do they think they see every feeder out there? They do think ANYONE knows where every feeder is? What do you do when you have a good drop and then happen to walk past an unknown feeder on the way back to the truck? Any such ban would be completely impossible to enforce so why even bring it up?

my thoughts exactly. and if you have a coondog, them buckets shouldn't hurt your feelings, except you may not have what you think you have in your dog. last time i looked, a bucket coon and a not so bucket coon looked the same, and i'll bet they smell the same to a dog too.

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Posted by MikeR on 04-23-2012 07:54 PM:

Competition hunting off of feeder buckets is why I have so little regard for titled dogs these days. Many titled dogs can't hunt well and run a track well enough to find and tree a coon without running off of a bucket.

You guys keep telling yourselves you've got a coondog. You might be the only ones that believe it.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-23-2012 07:58 PM:

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Competition hunting off of feeder buckets is why I have so little regard for titled dogs these days. Many titled dogs can't hunt well and run a track well enough to find and tree a coon without running off of a bucket.

You guys keep telling yourselves you've got a coondog. You might be the only ones that believe it.

These "delusions" ABOVE are much more prevalent in the Southern States due to lack of racoons. I don't know of to many people in Ohio, Indiana, or Michigan setting feeders out.

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Posted by Slough on 04-23-2012 08:06 PM:

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These "delusions" ABOVE are much more prevalent in the Southern States due to lack of racoons. I don't know of to many people in Ohio, Indiana, or Michigan setting feeders out.

I take it, you dont know many coonhunters in Ohio, Indiana or Michigan.

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