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Posted by Catchdog on 12-30-2014 03:42 PM:

Help with English

Hello Gents! I have some questions for those experienced with this breed and it's bloodlines. I am considering trying some of these dogs to see how they fit my needs...I will be running coon, and would also like to try my hand at big game...bear and bobcat both...here is what I looking for and like in a hound:


* I am looking for FAST track speed

* I am looking for good cold nose that can deal with dry ground conditions when chasing cats

* I am looking for grit as I may run bear

* I prefer big bawl mouth ( LOVE THAT SOUND)

* They must be smart!

* They must handle well


Thank you in advance for you time and responses!


Posted by N Williams on 12-30-2014 09:39 PM:

I'd say Wilcox would be your best bet to get what your looking for.


Posted by Catchdog on 12-30-2014 10:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by N Williams
I'd say Wilcox would be your best bet to get what your looking for.


Thanks...who's producing the good ones from this line?


Posted by Okie Hunter on 12-31-2014 05:05 AM:

Here ya go...

http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...idaho+lightfoot

http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...ighlight=wilcox

The first link is for Idaho Lightfoot Kennels and based on the info you have provided, he should be able to help in what you need. He trees a lot of cat and bear with his English dogs.

The second is the link for Wilcox Thunder Kennels. Plenty of reading there as Larry Wilcox's line has produced dogs that can handle big game and winners in competition.

I don't think you could go wrong with blood from either one.

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Freddy Wells
Plus Point English
Mounds, Oklahoma

Home of:
UKC DUAL GR CH PKC CH CHKC Money Winner ALL GRAND YOGI (GR NITE CH MOORE'S HARDTIME ALL GRAND HORN x DUAL GR CH ENGLISHPRIDE'S LITTLE LIZ) 2017 UKC Performance and PKC Super Stakes Sire

UKC DUAL GR CH TREE ROCKN NELLY (DUAL GR CH PKC GOLD CH MAIN STREET ROY X GR NITE CH PKC CH INDIAN RIDGE CINDY) Littermate sister to 2013 UKC WORLD CH GR NITE CH MAIN STREET JOHN THE BAPTIST

PLUS POINT ZINGO (DUAL GRAND CH '98 ENGLISH HALL OF FAME WILCOX THUNDER BINGO semen X CH NITE CH CLONES FRONT PAGE) The only living direct son of Bingo alive today!

Gone but not forgotten:

UKC GR NITE CH PKC CH PLUS POINT BLUE BOY BRUISER (66 "canes" stored at OnceFrozen) Direct son of DUAL GR CH PKC CH CLEAR CREEK CADILLAC JACK x CH GR NITE CH '95 UKC World Hunt High Scoring English Female WELLS' LITTLE PATCH

CH GR NITE CH WELLS' LITTLE PATCH (High Scoring English Female 1995 UKC World Hunt) Direct Daughter of GR NITE CH PKC GOLD CH DARON'S BLUE REB (LUMIS) x GR NITE CH PKC GOLD CH ACHA WORLD CH BUFFALO CREEK PATCH

GR NITE CH PKC CH CLEAR CREEK MISSY II (Sister to Dual Grand Clear Creek Cadillac Jack and mother of ACHA World Champion PKC Silver CH Raef's Dollar Bill)


Posted by blackflagginit on 12-31-2014 07:59 AM:

If I was going to hunt big game I would go with a Grand Lake bred dog.

D Burrows built dogs that look, hunt, sound, and act like hounds. they won there share of casts, but where they excelled was getting the job done when others couldn't. He also demanded a bawl mouth track dog.

he, myself, david minson, and a cpl others used to get togather a few times a year to hunt around Vinita OK. I miss those hunts the most.

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*billy jack

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Posted by Okie Hunter on 12-31-2014 02:37 PM:

Darrell Burroughs and the Grand Lake dogs

It's a shame that Darrell passed away. The English breed lost a good man that day.

To get some of his old blood, a guy would need to get in touch with either David Minson or John Kirby. They should know where some of it is here in Oklahoma.

__________________
Freddy Wells
Plus Point English
Mounds, Oklahoma

Home of:
UKC DUAL GR CH PKC CH CHKC Money Winner ALL GRAND YOGI (GR NITE CH MOORE'S HARDTIME ALL GRAND HORN x DUAL GR CH ENGLISHPRIDE'S LITTLE LIZ) 2017 UKC Performance and PKC Super Stakes Sire

UKC DUAL GR CH TREE ROCKN NELLY (DUAL GR CH PKC GOLD CH MAIN STREET ROY X GR NITE CH PKC CH INDIAN RIDGE CINDY) Littermate sister to 2013 UKC WORLD CH GR NITE CH MAIN STREET JOHN THE BAPTIST

PLUS POINT ZINGO (DUAL GRAND CH '98 ENGLISH HALL OF FAME WILCOX THUNDER BINGO semen X CH NITE CH CLONES FRONT PAGE) The only living direct son of Bingo alive today!

Gone but not forgotten:

UKC GR NITE CH PKC CH PLUS POINT BLUE BOY BRUISER (66 "canes" stored at OnceFrozen) Direct son of DUAL GR CH PKC CH CLEAR CREEK CADILLAC JACK x CH GR NITE CH '95 UKC World Hunt High Scoring English Female WELLS' LITTLE PATCH

CH GR NITE CH WELLS' LITTLE PATCH (High Scoring English Female 1995 UKC World Hunt) Direct Daughter of GR NITE CH PKC GOLD CH DARON'S BLUE REB (LUMIS) x GR NITE CH PKC GOLD CH ACHA WORLD CH BUFFALO CREEK PATCH

GR NITE CH PKC CH CLEAR CREEK MISSY II (Sister to Dual Grand Clear Creek Cadillac Jack and mother of ACHA World Champion PKC Silver CH Raef's Dollar Bill)


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