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Posted by sleepy head on 05-12-2015 10:53 PM:

withdrawing

What's your thoughts on W.Drawing from a cast and leaving a dog alone when your behind with little chance of coming back, is it good sportsmanship or is it screwing the rest of the cast? Or is it part of the sport with answer?

Posted by Billy Beckham on 05-12-2015 11:04 PM:

Re: withdrawing

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Originally posted by sleepy head
What's your thoughts on W.Drawing from a cast and leaving a dog alone when your behind with little chance of coming back, is it good sportsmanship or is it screwing the rest of the cast? Or is it part of the sport with answer?

If you don't have a chance at winning get out of the way but I have won several casts at the very end. I have been down 2 coons and came back to win.

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Posted by sleepy head on 05-12-2015 11:07 PM:

Should say screwing the rest of the cast's

Posted by HOBO on 05-12-2015 11:17 PM:

You are allowing that dog to earn points that the other dogs had to compete for.

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Posted by walkerman75 on 05-12-2015 11:51 PM:

if you are to point of withdrawing for what ever reason you might as well do it. if you are getting whooped by a coondog then he still gona tree coons with or without you. if its for a mean dog that you can not catch then no since in you getting your dog eat up..theres all kinds of reasons. point is if the thought has crossed your mind then do it, yea a dog by itself will get first strike an first tree, but that will also alow him to make mistakes he might not make with another dog in woods

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Posted by pamjohnson on 05-13-2015 12:10 AM:

if you entered the cast. it's your money.it's your choice and only yours.

Posted by ole hoss on 05-13-2015 12:27 AM:

Re: withdrawing

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Originally posted by sleepy head
What's your thoughts on W.Drawing from a cast and leaving a dog alone when your behind with little chance of coming back, is it good sportsmanship or is it screwing the rest of the cast? Or is it part of the sport with answer?

Didn't think u could with draw a dog that isn't handled

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Posted by GA DAWG on 05-13-2015 12:47 AM:

Its screwing the others but so what. So is one bunch hunting on feeders and one bunch not. Aint nothing that can be done though.

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Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-13-2015 02:23 PM:

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Originally posted by HOBO
You are allowing that dog to earn points that the other dogs had to compete for.

I agree with Dennis on this one...

I've had folks withdraw to "get out of my way" but the truth is, if I was beating them, I will likely continue to do so and don't need them to step aside. And guaranteeing that I get a first and a first, without any competition, is not exactly fair to the guy in another cast that had to hunt two hours with competition.

Of course it's also not fair, if that me-too dog finally gets one coon by itself in the last five minutes, and beats me by 25 points, after "tagging along" all night!

So I guess it's really a case by case basis, but I'm not sure that either approach is really "unsportsmanlike".

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Posted by Jackson87 on 05-13-2015 02:42 PM:

I always thought it was dumb when a handler gets mad and withdraws in the last 10 mins.Its usually the judge and then they refuse to go back to the club.Then I'm stuck 50 miles from club wondering how to get back before the deadline.Thats happened to me several times.

Posted by shadinc on 05-13-2015 02:47 PM:

Never withdraw. It's called COMPITITION HUNTING.

Posted by JSteely on 05-13-2015 02:54 PM:

i WAS on a 3 dog cast in a RQE with 20mins to go me and another guy had minus the other dog had 550+ we with drew and told him he could walk it out. he said he wanted to hunt, so 20 mins later he minused out backwards, he was greaty wanted a big scored, and he got it it was just all in the minus department,,,

Posted by joey on 05-13-2015 03:00 PM:

I will withdraw in a hart beat if I know I cant win. Most of the time it is in the last few minutes of a cast. Just handled the dogs off of a tree, mine is on the leash and I cant win with 10 minutes left. I'm not turning loose just to catch my dog a hour later and a mile deeper. I have never did it to get out of someones way, I have done it to save me some grief.

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Posted by BufordTDawgBrea on 05-13-2015 03:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JSteely
i WAS on a 3 dog cast in a RQE with 20mins to go me and another guy had minus the other dog had 550+ we with drew and told him he could walk it out. he said he wanted to hunt, so 20 mins later he minused out backwards, he was greaty wanted a big scored, and he got it it was just all in the minus department,,,

You can't walk it off with 20 left. Read the rules.

Posted by RLenhart on 05-13-2015 03:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson87
I always thought it was dumb when a handler gets mad and withdraws in the last 10 mins.Its usually the judge and then they refuse to go back to the club.Then I'm stuck 50 miles from club wondering how to get back before the deadline.Thats happened to me several times.

LOL That only happened to me once now I always have my auto GPS in the console of my truck and If I didn't already use it the locate the club in the 1st place I make sure I atleast save the coodinates when I pull in. So that way if I get all twisted up on back roads driving to somebodies hunting spots all I have top do is plug it in and follow it back to the club. It's saved me a hassle many times. It doesn't always have to be because somebody got mad and quit. Quite often it's just a case where I say hay If you have to get up early I can take the card back "I know my way".

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-13-2015 04:08 PM:

Is it unsportsmanlike to withdraw when you know you can't win or is it unsportsmanlike to stay in the cast when you know you can't win?

Posted by sleepy head on 05-13-2015 04:14 PM:

That's the question

Posted by Jack Bingham on 05-13-2015 04:28 PM:

I am all for with drawing if I can't win. I feel it's good sportsman ship to get outta the way if I'm whooped. I don't mind getting beat by a dog trying coons.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-13-2015 04:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sleepy head
That's the question

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Posted by CCB2012 on 05-13-2015 06:23 PM:

I like the guys that don't want to withdraw and are down by more then 2 Coon. All you have to do is tree a possum!

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Posted by gacoonchaser on 05-13-2015 07:14 PM:

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You can't walk it off with 20 left. Read the rules.

And no ones ever done that before? I bet you're in quality control at your job. You must've never walked mountains all night.

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Posted by gacoonchaser on 05-13-2015 07:15 PM:

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You can't walk it off with 20 left. Read the rules.

And no ones ever done that before? I bet you're in quality control at your job. You must've never walked mountains all night.

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Posted by gacoonchaser on 05-13-2015 07:17 PM:

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You can't walk it off with 20 left. Read the rules.

And no ones ever done that before? I bet you're in quality control at your job. You must've never walked mountains all night. If I'm beat I'll withdr and let a man walk it off. Why would you want to walk more and stop him from achieving what he just beat you at? Take your loses like a man, in most cases the last guy left in situations like stated above with the high score honestly deserves it.

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Posted by HOBO on 05-13-2015 07:36 PM:

If you are going to let him walk out the last twenty mins why would you bother to withdraw?

But like was stated above its against the rules.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 05-13-2015 07:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by gacoonchaser
And no ones ever done that before? I bet you're in quality control at your job. You must've never walked mountains all night. If I'm beat I'll withdr and let a man walk it off. Why would you want to walk more and stop him from achieving what he just beat you at? Take your loses like a man, in most cases the last guy left in situations like stated above with the high score honestly deserves it.

When is walking it off acceptable? In this situation is was 20 minutes, next thing you know it will be 30.

The rule says 120 minutes must be completed to valitade a dogs score. I can see walking off a minute or 2 but other then that your simple breaking the rules.

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