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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-20-2020 12:16 AM:

Big Money

I saw where a 16 dog hunt in Ohio with a $6,500 entry fee sold out within 3 minutes of the entries becoming available. Twenty years ago did anyone think that coon hunting would come to this? From good old boys hunting simply for pleasure or to sell hides to put food on their table to hunting in a $6,500 entry fee comp hunt. The world has sure changed. It is no wonder that some older coon hunters feel left out or left behind.


Posted by yadkintar on 05-20-2020 12:40 AM:

Even if I could afford it I wouldn’t. Except for winning the money two weeks from that one there will be anouther one and nobody will remember who won it because you can bet your sweet bippy it won’t be a guy that punches a clock for a living.



Tar


Posted by Donnie Stevens on 05-20-2020 01:53 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Even if I could afford it I wouldn’t.


I would in a heartbeat

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-20-2020 01:58 AM:

I bet the guy that wins the $15,000 could care less who knows it or remembers it. He will know it.


Posted by Donnie Stevens on 05-20-2020 02:04 AM:

Richard did you not once say if you were gonna gamble with that kinda money you'd just as soon cut a deck of cards ???

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Posted by Ringo08 on 05-20-2020 02:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Even if I could afford it I wouldn’t. Except for winning the money two weeks from that one there will be anouther one and nobody will remember who won it because you can bet your sweet bippy it won’t be a guy that punches a clock for a living.



Tar



This right here!!!

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Posted by Dave Richards on 05-20-2020 02:27 AM:

Mr. Lambert

If you have 16 dogs at 6500.00 entry fee, 1st place better be more than 15000.00 even a 4 way split better be more than 6500.00 or I am not playing. My odds are much better in a high stakes poker game for a 6500.00 buy in. Dave

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Posted by Surveyor on 05-20-2020 02:37 AM:

Just legalized gambling for a different class of people than us ordinary working man coon hunters.

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 05-20-2020 02:37 AM:

Dave $6500 covers three nights entry

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Posted by Dave Richards on 05-20-2020 02:51 AM:

Donnie Stevens

That's still over 100K pot, unless I can win 15K a night it's still not good enough odds to risk 6500.00. Dave

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Posted by Rick St.Clair on 05-20-2020 03:03 AM:

1rst $15,000
2nd $8,000
3rd $5,000
4th $2,500
Each night three nights. One entry
Total pot $91,500


Posted by Dave Richards on 05-20-2020 03:16 AM:

Rick

Thanks for posting the figures, from those figures, one would have to place no lower than 4th place every night to just break even ( 7500) counting expenses and 1st place all 3 nights would get 45,000 for the 6500.00 entry. Really not good odds in one way and pretty good odds in another way, depending on how good or consistent a dog you are hunting. Who gets the other 13500.00 from entry fees if the total pot payout is only 91500.00? Dave

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Posted by wart on 05-20-2020 03:26 AM:

Hunt

The 4 way split is around 7500.00 each so that's 30,000 per night I think it's actually more than that but it looks like about 30 to 40 hunters basically have there own kennel club


Posted by ScottCK 6 on 05-20-2020 03:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Even if I could afford it I wouldn’t. Except for winning the money two weeks from that one there will be anouther one and nobody will remember who won it because you can bet your sweet bippy it won’t be a guy that punches a clock for a living.



Tar

I know for a fact there is at least two hunting in it that have day jobs. I bet you get five or six calls a day to run dogs in these big ones.

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Posted by yadkintar on 05-20-2020 03:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ScottCK 6
I know for a fact there is at least two hunting in it that have day jobs. I bet you get five or six calls a day to run dogs in these big ones.




If they do they got a backer or one heck of a job. Ain’t nobody wants an old ,fat guy they need a young speedster that can run like the wind.


Tar


Posted by ScottCK 6 on 05-20-2020 04:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
If they do they got a backer or one heck of a job. Ain’t nobody wants an old ,fat guy they need a young speedster that can run like the wind.


Tar

Owner and handlers work and are not rich!

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Posted by ScottCK 6 on 05-20-2020 04:03 AM:

Have you seen some of these guys in the pictures, some of them are in decent shape , and a few could stand to eat a few salads!

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Posted by yadkintar on 05-20-2020 04:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ScottCK 6
Have you seen some of these guys in the pictures, some of them are in decent shape , and a few could stand to eat a few salads!




Don’t matter how good a shape your in till your knees are gone. On flat ground I can walk at my pace all night but them hills and creek banks do me in. And the next day I don’t even like dogs lol. If I had $6,500 to spare me and mrs tar would on a cruise boat for a couple weeks and I would have enough to get me a better dog than I got lol.

Tar


Posted by Redneck Mafia on 05-20-2020 04:20 AM:

Re: Big Money

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I saw where a 16 dog hunt in Ohio with a $6,500 entry fee sold out within 3 minutes of the entries becoming available. Twenty years ago did anyone think that coon hunting would come to this? From good old boys hunting simply for pleasure or to sell hides to put food on their table to hunting in a $6,500 entry fee comp hunt. The world has sure changed. It is no wonder that some older coon hunters feel left out or left behind.

It's been along time ago that Russ started doing this format with no kennel club affiliation. Truthfully I'm surprised it took them this long to figure out they could get a piece of the pie. The extra goes to cover non-hunting judges all three nights for all rounds. The club fee, state escrow and $kc's portion.
This is no different than just about any other hobby. Think of fishing there are those with a logo on a boat that have thousands and thousands spent on equipment, entries and travel.
The way I see it there is something for everyone you can spend as much or as little as you please.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-20-2020 04:33 AM:

Tarbaby as many fish as you catch, you need to get you one of those fancy boats and become a Pro fisherman.


Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-20-2020 04:35 AM:

Jen, that is right. There is also a hunt every night this week in Indiana with a $30 entry fee.


Posted by yadkintar on 05-20-2020 11:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Tarbaby as many fish as you catch, you need to get you one of those fancy boats and become a Pro fisherman.



Got a 1973 aluminum boat I do have a new motor ( don’t want to paddle ) $5 worth of boat gas and I grow my worms in the garage.


Pretty cheap fishing.


Tar


Posted by Sfox91 on 05-20-2020 01:50 PM:

Gotta risk it to get the biscuit. I don’t own the caliber of dog it takes to be willing to pay a $6500 entry. But I sure am glad to see Doug Jackson back into it.

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Posted by John B.Dalton on 05-20-2020 01:59 PM:

Not Much Mention of the young man winning a 40,000 dollar pickup this weekend on a 800.00 entry fee...I bet most will remember who won that or those watching him drive up in it will be reminded...This sport has plenty of room for different divisions and levels of play...Who can afford it now maybe a different subject but I would bet if you truly own a stemwinder that can compete their is someone or a group that know what one is and may help you achieve your goals.

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 05-20-2020 02:15 PM:

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Richard to stay on topic and to try to answer your question about people seeing coon hunting coming to this. I can answer that as a YES. Now it came about with the funds coming from a different place than I though the would today. I know what was in my heart any why I wanted it to come about.

I have spent may hours on the phone with Mr. Roy talking about and brainstorming about increasing payouts for the hunts. This was back when we had $10 hunts. In honestly we did not see the big pots coming from the hunters paying large entries. We tried to figure out how to draw sponsors. Keep the entry amount low so many could afford to play. Now some may say why the big payouts. I can tell you that I wanted this to work and I think I can speak for Mr. Roy here. The main purpose in both our minds was to PROMOTE COONHUNTING. which was something both of us Loved and wanted to see grow and be recognized.

Now there are some sponsors involved. Several Car Dealers have stepped up and done well for the sport with their sponsership. But people still wanted to see the bigger and bigger payouts. So they tested the water with larger entry fees. Guess what. They found the people there were willing to enter. The sad thing is. Why put those people down or lump them into some classification other that Coon Hunter and Houndsman. They don't put all the people down that can afford or are not willing to spend that kind of money on an entry fee. Many of these same people at smaller hunts mingle and enjoy being around coon hunters. It is not the bank account but the desire in ones heart to achieve things that separates. Like I said. We can be separated by entry fees but don't be hateful towards them that play at a different level. Just do your best to promote the sport at whatever level you play it at. Respect the ones you can, avoid the ones you need to. Some that need to be avoided are also in every level of the sport. And a bank account does't identify them. Their Heart does.

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