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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-26-2019 10:44 PM:

We got to talking. Here’s something to ponder

The UKC world championship has been long held as a prestigious award with a hard fought battle to get there but what if......

Since the introduction in 2019 of winning titles by winning casts we change the format to getting to the world hunt. Instead of winning just one cast at a rqe to make it to the zones we make it to where you have to win 8-10 casts in a current physical year to go straight to the world hunt. This would eliminate the need for rqe hunts, eliminate the zone hunts, and promote more local hunt support. I would say say that less than 75% of the people who win a cast at a rqe hunt 5 or more local hunts a year so truthfully the other 25% that hunt less or even just the rqe would have more reason to hunt more local hunts.

Just a thought

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Posted by KYHoundDawg on 02-26-2019 11:29 PM:

Interesting but people who have to drive far for just one hunt would be at a disadvantage where as someone like me can be a hunt almost every weekend in under an hour.

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Posted by berger on 02-26-2019 11:34 PM:

and idea, but I will say I like the RQE, Zone and Final format...

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Posted by rudedog on 02-26-2019 11:40 PM:

SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE LOCAL CLUBS BUT I DO LIKE HUNTING THE RQE SO MAYBE GET IN BOTH WAYS

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Posted by JiM on 02-26-2019 11:47 PM:

Why would you want to eliminate RQE's and the Zones?
At a time when UKC is losing hunters in droves, it probably ain't just the best idea to turn it into something completely unrecognizable from what it has been for more than a half century.
ACHA, the guys that use to host the biggest, best and most respected World Hunt in the coonhunting sport, has done exactly that. Ask them how it is working out for those guys.
Or NASCAR. Lotta great ideas led abandoning it's roots. Straight into a monumental nosedive. Better think REAL hard about these changes.

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-27-2019 12:08 AM:

I can't count the dogs I have qualified at the rqe's. But I am snake bit getting them through the zones win one night get in a place with no coons the next ect. I don't know how you would do it but being how it's an elimination style hunt a buy back in option like the $$$ hunts would be nice so if you got dry holed you would get anouther shot.

Tar

Posted by Rick St.Clair on 02-27-2019 12:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Why would you want to eliminate RQE's and the Zones?
At a time when UKC is losing hunters in droves, it probably ain't just the best idea to turn it into something completely unrecognizable from what it has been for more than a half century.
ACHA, the guys that use to host the biggest, best and most respected World Hunt in the coonhunting sport, has done exactly that. Ask them how it is working out for those guys.
Or NASCAR. Lotta great ideas led abandoning it's roots. Straight into a monumental nosedive. Better think REAL hard about these changes.

Well said. Think everyone is looking for a great change to make everything better. Not sure that's always possible, some changes are good some bad. Personally don't care for the new changes to title dogs. My opinion only made titles less worthy and simpler to achieve. Personally would have liked to have seen the titles changed to make it a little more difficult. But it is what it is and we deal with it. Life is changing and I guess everyone deserves a participant award.

Posted by JiM on 02-27-2019 12:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I can't count the dogs I have qualified at the rqe's. But I am snake bit getting them through the zones win one night get in a place with no coons the next ect. I don't know how you would do it but being how it's an elimination style hunt a buy back in option like the $$$ hunts would be nice so if you got dry holed you would get anouther shot.

Tar

You mean make it easier........
If I can't get in this way, let's change it so I can.
Tar, half the dogs going to the Finals are going there with one cast win.

Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 01:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I can't count the dogs I have qualified at the rqe's. But I am snake bit getting them through the zones win one night get in a place with no coons the next ect. I don't know how you would do it but being how it's an elimination style hunt a buy back in option like the $$$ hunts would be nice so if you got dry holed you would get anouther shot.

Tar

you only need 12 1/2 point cast wins both night at the zone to get to the finals

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-27-2019 01:02 AM:

Yep I got Fred in with one cast win then I blew my knee out and didn't get to go ! I just want to go Jim I been snake bit all these years lol.

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 01:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rudedog
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE LOCAL CLUBS BUT I DO LIKE HUNTING THE RQE SO MAYBE GET IN BOTH WAYS

well I said it was and idea I defiantly wouldn't say it was a good one. Nope keep the RQE these are the ones that qualify you for the world. The other hunts aren't even in the same category..

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 03:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by berger
well I said it was and idea I defiantly wouldn't say it was a good one. Nope keep the RQE these are the ones that qualify you for the world. The other hunts aren't even in the same category..

Why are they not even in the same category?

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 03:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rick St.Clair
Well said. Think everyone is looking for a great change to make everything better. Not sure that's always possible, some changes are good some bad. Personally don't care for the new changes to title dogs. My opinion only made titles less worthy and simpler to achieve. Personally would have liked to have seen the titles changed to make it a little more difficult. But it is what it is and we deal with it. Life is changing and I guess everyone deserves a participant award.

The new format should not make titles easier to win. You still have to win you and win more casts at that. At the local clubs here it would make it harder to win a title because in the registered class you’d have to win 2 extra hunts.

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 03:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Why would you want to eliminate RQE's and the Zones?
At a time when UKC is losing hunters in droves, it probably ain't just the best idea to turn it into something completely unrecognizable from what it has been for more than a half century.
ACHA, the guys that use to host the biggest, best and most respected World Hunt in the coonhunting sport, has done exactly that. Ask them how it is working out for those guys.
Or NASCAR. Lotta great ideas led abandoning it's roots. Straight into a monumental nosedive. Better think REAL hard about these changes.

Eliminate the rqe hunts because because there wouldn’t be a need to goto them for one. People like rqe hunts I get it. But what’s better for the registry, clubs, and sport? a guy hunting one 30$ rqe or a guy hunting eight 20$ hunts? You could keep the zones to break it down to the top 100 but I feel like that would be unnecessary as well considering there probably wouldn’t be 200 dogs out of the 750 that goto the zones that would win 8 casts a year. I know changing things and going away from the roots has been the demise of some other sports but look at things as a whole, UKC has been in decline for 5+ years and the only way to fix it should start at the local level. With the addition of double headers in 2019 clubs can now hold 12 hunts but if holding 12 hunts only draw 4-6 dogs a hunt there has to be something more enticing to draw hunters. Changing the format for the world hunt would drive hunters to the local level more often than a rqe ever will.

Having 2 extra hunters show up to 6 local hunts across the country all year long is better than holding one rqe with 15-25 dogs in different areas.

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 03:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by KYHoundDawg
Interesting but people who have to drive far for just one hunt would be at a disadvantage where as someone like me can be a hunt almost every weekend in under an hour.

I realize that there are a few people in different areas that would be at a disadvantage but UKC clubs are like McDonald’s your never more than a hour from one for the most part. I know that doesn’t work for everyone but for the majority they could get to a local club within a hour

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Posted by Mike McCool on 02-27-2019 03:37 AM:

Been saying for years all ukc licened clubs should get to send 1 dog to zones it would increase local club participation and zone dog entrys

Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 03:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rudedog
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE LOCAL CLUBS BUT I DO LIKE HUNTING THE RQE SO MAYBE GET IN BOTH WAYS

If you can get in both ways then it would have to be side by side such as all dogs Winning 8 casts a year go straight to the finals and if you win a rqe you still have to make it through the zones. So the top 100 advancing from the zones would go up against the dogs that won 8 casts in ayear

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 03:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike McCool
Been saying for years all ukc licened clubs should get to send 1 dog to zones it would increase local club participation and zone dog entrys

How would you determine that 1 dog? That would be a lot of dogs considering there is so many clubs.

Side note-
Does anyone know how many UKC clubs there are? 250? 350?

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 03:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
Why are they not even in the same category?

All dogs are drawn together hunting under champion rules. Different atmosphere if you don't win you need to go to another RQE not just another hunt down the road.

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 03:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
People like rqe hunts I get it. But what’s better for the registry, clubs, and sport? a guy hunting one 30$ rqe or a guy hunting eight 20$ hunts? .

RQE are $35. where do you think they are coming up with the added purse for the World Hunt...……..

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Posted by Mike McCool on 02-27-2019 03:48 AM:

how ever that club decides usually dog of the year or handler of the year. however a club decides allows hunter to bring best dog he can borrow or buy to zones.

Posted by Mike McCool on 02-27-2019 03:55 AM:

also look at all the extra money from those entrys in zones

Posted by JAH on 02-27-2019 03:57 AM:

Why do people always want to change something that isn't broke? Sounds like some of you might work for the government. Thats what to do fix stuff thats not broke.

Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 04:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by berger
All dogs are drawn together hunting under champion rules. Different atmosphere if you don't win you need to go to another RQE not just another hunt down the road.

In this case if you don’t win you still need to go to 8 down the road. Not just another rqe.

Rqe is good for the club holding the rqe but not good for the clubs within a hour of that rqe.

Wouldn’t this make the atmosphere different at all local hunts?

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 04:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by berger
RQE are $35. where do you think they are coming up with the added purse for the World Hunt...……..

Wasn’t last year the first year of the added pusre for the UKC world hunt..............................

If you have to hunt more hunts to make it to the world hunt and UKC uses a percentage taken from every dog entered in a local hunt wouldn’t the added purse be bigger??...........................

You know closer to 50k like the ch*c world in 3 weeks?

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