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Posted by JSTARR on 03-23-2013 03:41 PM:

Are You Man Enough To Take Your Minus ??

Will you take your minus? Be honest.

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Posted by harleydan1956 on 03-23-2013 03:51 PM:

I try to judge as much as I can and yes.. the reason is to minus where minus is due.. even if it is mine...

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-23-2013 04:20 PM:

Absolutly if that sorry joker needs it he'll get it thay are just dogs

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Posted by JSTARR on 03-23-2013 04:46 PM:

If they can sleep with it we can

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Posted by mauser06 on 03-23-2013 04:55 PM:

If the losers aren't man enough to take their minus do you think they are man enough to admit it?!?! Lol.

Had 2 real winners last note...they declared their dogs split treed...then a young boy declared his split after my dogs tree closed..they were running 2 tree times..mine and the other 2...judge said "when 4 mins is gone on your tree 2 mins is gone on ours".

All 4 dogs on 1 tree...they minused the young boy..but when checking the card I saw they circled their dogs!!!

I called em out on it and they denied it completely....I got heated..they wouldn't change it but knew dang well what they did...they said their dogs were 45degress to the right of mine up the other hollow...they ran 2 tree times...

Scumbags. They are quick to minus a 14 or so year old boy but not their selves for the same action???

After last nite I think I might be done with competition hunting...at least for a while...maybe till I move...maybe this area is just particularly full of scum bags...I just can't take it...

My buddy told me before I started competition hunting that I was too honest for it.....

Well he is right...I must a been raised different than most...

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-23-2013 05:16 PM:

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Originally posted by mauser06
If the losers aren't man enough to take their minus do you think they are man enough to admit it?!?! Lol.

Had 2 real winners last note...they declared their dogs split treed...then a young boy declared his split after my dogs tree closed..they were running 2 tree times..mine and the other 2...judge said "when 4 mins is gone on your tree 2 mins is gone on ours".

All 4 dogs on 1 tree...they minused the young boy..but when checking the card I saw they circled their dogs!!!

I called em out on it and they denied it completely....I got heated..they wouldn't change it but knew dang well what they did...they said their dogs were 45degress to the right of mine up the other hollow...they ran 2 tree times...

Scumbags. They are quick to minus a 14 or so year old boy but not their selves for the same action???

After last nite I think I might be done with competition hunting...at least for a while...maybe till I move...maybe this area is just particularly full of scum bags...I just can't take it...

My buddy told me before I started competition hunting that I was too honest for it.....

Well he is right...I must a been raised different than most...

If you would have known the rules you wouldnt have to feel cheated. First off no one except the judge can declare a dog split, and he doesnt do that until he is sure. secondly why would anyone run 2 tree times when all dogs have been declared treed?

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Posted by mauser06 on 03-23-2013 05:19 PM:

The judge and the other guy declared their dogs split from mine! They declared it....the judge started a clock on their tree..mine was already declared_treed...we started walking to my dog...its tree closed and the young boy declared his treed so it was taken as a split tree as well....

End of story...I didn't declare their dogs split..they did...they knew dang well they did...if they were smart they wouldn't have declared their dogs split but they did....they should have sucked it up and taken their minus...

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-23-2013 06:00 PM:

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Originally posted by mauser06
The judge and the other guy declared their dogs split from mine! They declared it....the judge started a clock on their tree..mine was already declared_treed...we started walking to my dog...its tree closed and the young boy declared his treed so it was taken as a split tree as well....

End of story...I didn't declare their dogs split..they did...they knew dang well they did...if they were smart they wouldn't have declared their dogs split but they did....they should have sucked it up and taken their minus...

i agree

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Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 03-23-2013 06:12 PM:

When I am judging, I will minus myself as fast as I will minus you. If you are hunting a coondog, you shouldn't have a problem with minus points. If you are consistantly taking minus, you better get a better dog or sharpen your calling skills.

Posted by mauser06 on 03-23-2013 06:21 PM:

I am not out there to fight and argue...I am one of the most laid back easy going guys around...it takes a lot to get me fired up...lying and cheating is one thing that pushes my hot button...

Handler error of calling your dog split when its not or the dogs really did move I don't know..but suck it up and take the minus...or at least take the minus like a man when you get called out on it and the facts are laid out in front of you...

I have some decisions to make....but as of right now I feel like I need to step away....the hard part is knowing dang well my dog deserves to be at the hunts and would win his fair share easily...

I know the rules well enough..but when it comes down to votes and guys buddying up trying to eliminate their competition it ends up with me getting frustrated..wasting time and money to be cheated....

Many guys say you can't be cheated if you know the rules...but get 2 or 3 buddies to vote against you all nite...your being cheated...nite hunt honor rules....that's like a joke sometimes because there is nothing honorable about some of these guys....

To top it off, after signing the card they jumped in the truck and peeled outta there...luckily I had a GPS....but when I guide I make sure everyone can get home...good hunt or bad I won't leave another guy stranded and lost on a strange dirt road hours from home....

I've had some awesome casts...laughed and joked all nite...at the end of the hunt we a actually have to Talley up the score card because we had no idea what scores were...

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Posted by Joseph A Clark on 03-23-2013 07:41 PM:

I was recently in a 3 dog cast. On the first tree I had first strike and first tree. After getting to the tree I seen the coon once, but was the only one to do so. The judge was going to circle the tree but the other 2 handlers in the cast called a vote to minus. The tree got minus. At the end of the night I was tied for first and we had to do a coin toss due to time. I lost the coin toss. So looking back on it I can't decide if the handler that called for the vote was " slick handling " or what. That tree cost me the hunt. He didn't break any rule by doing so but that vote put me in the hole more than the others since I has first strike & tree. Smart handling or slick handler? IDK

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-23-2013 08:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Joseph A Clark
I was recently in a 3 dog cast. On the first tree I had first strike and first tree. After getting to the tree I seen the coon once, but was the only one to do so. The judge was going to circle the tree but the other 2 handlers in the cast called a vote to minus. The tree got minus. At the end of the night I was tied for first and we had to do a coin toss due to time. I lost the coin toss. So looking back on it I can't decide if the handler that called for the vote was " slick handling " or what. That tree cost me the hunt. He didn't break any rule by doing so but that vote put me in the hole more than the others since I has first strike & tree. Smart handling or slick handler? IDK

So you and judge voted to circle it and somehow or another it still got minused??

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Posted by Okie Hunter on 03-23-2013 08:51 PM:

What?

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Originally posted by Joseph A Clark
I was recently in a 3 dog cast. On the first tree I had first strike and first tree. After getting to the tree I seen the coon once, but was the only one to do so. The judge was going to circle the tree but the other 2 handlers in the cast called a vote to minus. The tree got minus. At the end of the night I was tied for first and we had to do a coin toss due to time. I lost the coin toss. So looking back on it I can't decide if the handler that called for the vote was " slick handling " or what. That tree cost me the hunt. He didn't break any rule by doing so but that vote put me in the hole more than the others since I has first strike & tree. Smart handling or slick handler? IDK

Don't mean to bust your bubble, but 2 + 2 doesn't equal 3. How can you be on a three dog cast and have a four person vote? Sorry, but you lost me on this one....

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When I am judging, I will minus myself as fast as I will minus you. If you are hunting a coondog, you shouldn't have a problem with minus points. If you are consistantly taking minus, you better get a better dog or sharpen your calling skills.

Your so right Bobby ,I've taken my minus in the past and if I decide to run a hound in comp. again I'm sure there are some more minus waiting on me ,,lol.

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Posted by mauser06 on 03-23-2013 09:09 PM:

Joseph could have had a non hunting judge....not sure how scoring is done with a non hu ting judge...don't think I've ever had one...takes a majority to plus or minus a tree with a hunting judge....

Coin toss for a tie breaker????? All the other tie breakers didn't give a winner??

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Posted by Joseph A Clark on 03-23-2013 10:06 PM:

Had a 3 dog cast, 1 dog withdrew, left 2 of us with non hunting judge.

Posted by Joseph A Clark on 03-23-2013 10:07 PM:

Oh and yeah tied all the way across, plus, minus, circle, strike, & tree! Lol we just ran out of time and had to meet deadline.

Posted by Joseph A Clark on 03-23-2013 10:13 PM:

The vote took place before the 1 man withdrew. So it was a 2 to 1 for minus. Sorry, typing between work! Lol

Posted by JSTARR on 03-23-2013 10:25 PM:

Last night Trouble was tracking in a big swamp,three dogs turned to him after a den,after they were struck back in they all were called treed on the other side of it ,on the way to the dogs treed they started moving to the left 150 yards but the other three handlers would not man up and take their minus,,cost TROUBLE the cast win after a ? vote at the club house,,we were blown away that three men would not be HONEST,,,,,,,,,OH well maybe next time.

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Posted by Okie Hunter on 03-23-2013 10:48 PM:

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Originally posted by Joseph A Clark
Had a 3 dog cast, 1 dog withdrew, left 2 of us with non hunting judge.

I just returned to hunting competition after being away for thirteen years, but when I was hunting years ago and had a non-hunting judge his vote was THE ONLY vote that counted. Is it not that way now?

Posted by capt_agricultur on 03-23-2013 11:05 PM:

one yr @ Ashland i minused out in15 min. i calledher honestly.

Posted by THOMAS SANDERS on 03-24-2013 12:40 AM:

Re: oo

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one yr @ Ashland i minused out in15 min. i calledher honestly.

me too on a flock of roosted turkeys !!20 yards from the cast , ended up going pleasure hunting but after 3 slicks we called it quits !

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Posted by nickhagerman on 03-24-2013 01:20 AM:

Split tree

Ill take a minus wen i deserve it

But i hate when my dog is split 10-15 feet from others
Tree and they wanna minus cause i dnt say where
Its treed happend 4 times at the walker hunt
In columbia city

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Posted by mello01 on 03-24-2013 03:23 AM:

Take your minusin

I hunt UKC for the FUN of it all, with my two boys.

I will be the first to say give me my minusin Doc lol. If the dog does well and has it coming give it him.

It makes a lot more enjoyable night hunting with folks doing it right!

Look forward to sharing the woods again with good honest folks...

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Posted by JeepsandGsds on 03-24-2013 03:34 AM:

I'll take mine and I would also minus my grandmother

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