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Posted by cgetsinger on 02-20-2012 12:54 AM:

Boss light vs. bright eyes

Anyone use the boss led light with the cats eye? i was looking at it and the bright eyes super six led light. just wondering. thanks

Posted by J.Fox on 02-20-2012 02:20 AM:

We have the "BOSS LIGHTS" with cat eyes. Would not have anything eles after we have used these. We love the Cat eyes. We have a few with Green and a with Red. We like the Green the best coons never even know it is on them they cant see it. We have had K lites and Bright eyes. BOSS LIGHTS ARE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHEST!!

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Posted by englishpride on 02-20-2012 04:23 AM:

Boss lights,ive had both several different bright eyes but not the six but i like the boss way better and the cats eye is awesome.

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Posted by Tyler Vaden on 02-20-2012 06:03 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by englishpride
The cats eye is awesome.

Boss Super Lite

Posted by Robert Johnson on 02-20-2012 12:32 PM:

as for the Brightest, it is bright eyes, and all the test prove it. quality building? again the bright eyes, no question. I have hunted with several folks who use the Boss cap light, and on 3 occasions, they have have to borrow my extra Bright eyes to make the end of the two hour hunt. Their Boss's seem to go dead really fast. Is it a good light? I think it is, but it doesn't even compare to the enginnered light that Bright Eyes has on the market. If you want the best light, save your self a lot of bumbbling around in the dark, and get you a Bright Eyes.

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Posted by MikeR on 02-20-2012 01:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Johnson
as for the Brightest, it is bright eyes, and all the test prove it. quality building? again the bright eyes, no question. I have hunted with several folks who use the Boss cap light, and on 3 occasions, they have have to borrow my extra Bright eyes to make the end of the two hour hunt. Their Boss's seem to go dead really fast. Is it a good light? I think it is, but it doesn't even compare to the enginnered light that Bright Eyes has on the market. If you want the best light, save your self a lot of bumbbling around in the dark, and get you a Bright Eyes.

It's OBVIOUS that you like and support Bright Eyes BUT how about providing some facts to back up your unsubstantiated statements .....

"as for the Brightest, it is bright eyes, and all the test prove it."
What test prove it? Show some us documented testing to back up your claim.
While not scientific by any means I've compared a Bright Eyes Super 6 to a Boss Super Light with Cats Eye. To my eyes the Boss is just as bright if not slightly brighter, has a tighter beam and doesn't need a seperate pop cover.

"Quality building, again the Bright Eyes, no question"
Boss Super Light uses the latest/newest design batteries, aluminum head just like the Super 6 head, and IMO better and more durable quality nylon for the battery pack. So again what do you base your "quality building" statement on your OPINION?

I also call BS on the Boss cap light going dead in 2 hours. I've used mine for a days without recharging it and it hasn't gone dead yet.

"Boss doesn't even compare to the enginnered light that Bright Eyes has on the market". Do you have an engineering degree to back up that statement or again are you basing it solely on your opinion?

I've had several Bright Eyes lights over the years. They make a good light but so do several other manufacturers. It's one thing to be "brand loyal" and support the company of your choice (Bright Eyes) but spouting unsubstantiated statements about another company (Boss) is wrong.

BTW I sold 2 Bright Eyes lights in the past few months and bought Boss lights. I'm certainly not sorry I did.

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Posted by JiM on 02-20-2012 01:56 PM:

I've used a Boss for about a year now and I never charge in less than 3 nights of use and have never had it go dim, let alone dead. I think ANY of the LED heads will get that much or more battery life from a 20v with a pack that is in decent shape. I also don't believe there is any practical difference in brightness from any of the 5 or 6 LED heads heads out there. The only real difference in heads is with the Cats Eye and that is for sure a worthwhile investment, especially when finding them means going to the pay window.

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 02-20-2012 02:38 PM:

MIKE R

I don't take kindly to being called a liar in open forum, and only spoke things as i have witnessed. If you wish to discuss this any further, my name and number is listed. CALL ME!!!

Posted by JiM on 02-20-2012 03:01 PM:

Liar???? Not even close.
This bogus idea that anyone who would be so bold as to disagree is calling someone a liar........nothing but drama.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 02-20-2012 03:14 PM:

No Drama Jim. You and i have gotten along fairly well, but all you have to do is read the reply. He stated my seeing those lights go dead is BS. Well..maybe you don't see it as i did, but where i'm from that is calling it a lie. Its between he and i, and i'm sure he'll call me and work it out just fine. There'll be no further comment by me to anyone else on this subject.

Posted by on 02-20-2012 03:16 PM:

Before all the arguing starts it’s real easy just ask your light maker what LEDs they are using and what amperage they are being driven at. I don’t mean amperage draw from the batteries I mean out the front of the driver the amps that are actually being seen by the LEDs. All else being the same that will tell you whose light is the brightest. Although I can tell you that there is not a nickels worth of difference in the brightness from one 5 or 6 led drop in to the next.

There are 2 things I can tell you all drivers have a tolerance of + or - a certain amount of output. So you could be comparing two different lights at the opposite end of the spectrum. Another thing I can tell you is in the field when you guys are comparing these lights the one that is on you head looks brighter every time if the lights are equal.

Posted by MikeR on 02-20-2012 05:20 PM:

Re: MIKE R

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Johnson
I don't take kindly to being called a liar in open forum, and only spoke things as i have witnessed. If you wish to discuss this any further, my name and number is listed. CALL ME!!!

Robert
I'm sure Bruce Conkey doesn't take kindly to you making biased unsubstianted statements about his lights either. Your statements might have some credability if you listed the tests you spoke of and your engineering degree/credentials. Without that it just YOUR OPINION.

There are dozens of guys that have bought Boss Cap Lights including me and I haven't read or heard of a single instance where the owners are complaining about them going dead in 2 hours. The listed burn times are 4 hours on high and 16 hours on low. The only way they could die out in 2 hours or less is if they ran them for several days without recharging them.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 02-20-2012 05:48 PM:

I've compared my bright eyes to a valley creek. Bright eyes is a fuzz brighter. Compared it with that new blazer head. Blazer is brighter. That's about all I know. Id compare it to a boss but nobody has one here.

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Posted by plentyofpossum on 02-20-2012 07:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
how about providing some facts to back up your unsubstantiated statements .....

Why, no one else does when they are throwing boss down every ones throat. They claim it is the brightest. When to my knowledge there hasn't been a single credible test done on any of these lights. I like bruce don't get me wrong. But his followers are a little over the top supporting him. With the exception of a few people on here, we are all amateurs at comparing A and B. You like what you like, he likes what he likes. Your opinion is biased because you own boss which is fine.

Posted by cgetsinger on 02-21-2012 02:23 AM:

dang, i didnt mean to cause so many problems. i was just wondering abot the lights. lol. Does the boss have red? All i seen you could order it in was amber and green.

Posted by Tyler Vaden on 02-21-2012 04:36 AM:

Yeah you can get it in RED.

Robert Johnson I will take your word that you seen a Boss cap light go dead in 2 hours, but that person needs to call the number on the light and get it fixed. The Boss cap light head and the Turbo head on the super lite are not the same head inside the Turbo head is brighter.

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I've compared my bright eyes to a valley creek. Bright eyes is a fuzz brighter. Compared it with that new blazer head. Blazer is brighter. That's about all I know. Id compare it to a boss but nobody has one here.

The Bright Eyes should be brighter then the Valley Creek light when brand new because the Bright eyes is being driven at 1000 ma the Valley Creek is being driven at 750 ma. I don't know anything about the Blazer.

plentyofpossum If you look back 2 years ago I was all for the best light and at that time it was not the Boss. I will try to have the best light there is in the years to come no matter who is the maker. By the way what light do you think is the best and brightest?

I think hands down the Boss with Cats eye is the best light with 5 white LED period.

quote:
Originally posted by Joey
. Although I can tell you that there is not a nickels worth of difference in the brightness from one 5 or 6 led drop in to the next

I don't think you can go wrong with a 5 or 6 LED aluminum head with thermal control. There are few maker that will fall in here.

Now when we all had 5100s all we said was buy the light with the longest warranty.

The Boss Super Lite comes with a 2/5 year warranty that gives 2 full years of protection with 3 additional years of free labor.

That is longest I have seen if someones is longer on a 5 or 6 LED light let me know.

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-21-2012 12:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tyler Vaden

The Bright Eyes should be brighter then the Valley Creek light when brand new because the Bright eyes is being driven at 1000 ma the Valley Creek is being driven at 750 ma. I don't know anything about the Blazer.

Whats the ma on the boss?

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Posted by Tyler Vaden on 02-21-2012 12:54 PM:

1000ma. Now your asking how all the people can say my light is brighter then another light being pushed at the same ma.

quote:
Originally posted by Joey
There are 2 things I can tell you all drivers have a tolerance of + or - a certain amount of output.

This could make one light brighter then another one with the same stuff no matter who makes a light one light will be bright then another.

Posted by Sam Davis on 02-21-2012 01:09 PM:

Since both heads use the 6-led drop in module, you question is really
simple to answer. Both heads produce the same FOV – this is given and not
changeable. This drop in module is designed for peak performance using
CREE XRE family of LEDs, any other LEDs will not produce results for which
it is designed. So we have established that both heads use the same
module with the same FOV, and that they use the same family of LEDs. You
have the boss with one bright white LED removed, to make place for a red,
green or whatever color you want. Removal of this bright white LED does
not change the FOV. The CREE XRE LED comes in BIN codes of: P2, P3, P4,
Q2, Q3, Q4, Q5 and R2. With the BIN codes established you can now
determine the brightness. Since Q5 and R2 are adjacent BIN codes, you
could have a hot Q5 that would be as bright as a low grade R2, with this
estalished for the difference in price I would not see any need to spend
the extra money for R2s. Q5s driven at the maximum recommended current
(1000ma) produces 235 lumens each.. R2s driven at the maximum recommended
drive current (1000ma) produces 250 lumens each. So do the math –
whichever head produces the most lumens will be the brightest. When these
LEDs go past 25C in temperature the brightness begins to degrade, and I
promise you LEDs driven at the maximum go past 25C real quick,
Additionally, according to CREE design specification TINT does not change
the lumen output. If you need any more information I would recommend a
search for CREE XRE and you will be loaded with information.

Posted by Tyler Vaden on 02-21-2012 01:25 PM:

You can run 5 LEDs wide open longer then 6 LEDs. The 6 LEDs heats up faster do to there being more drivers and LEDs running and it will get to the point where the thermal control kicks in faster and truns it down. I would think it would take 6 longer to cool down and get back to wide open. This could also come in to play when doing a side by side test. If you had the 6 LED wide open then truned on the 5 LED if the thermal control had truned the 6 down the 5 would be brighter maybe.

Posted by high x pections on 02-21-2012 01:42 PM:

Bright Eyes

We had two of the five led cap lights, bought them both brand new. They kept kicking off after using them for two or three nights of hunting. Traded them back in for the new six led lights, they held up nice but you could tell the brightest was decreasing the more you use them. Three led lights are the max I think you can go with without them loosing there brightness. JMO.

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Posted by Sam Davis on 02-21-2012 02:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tyler Vaden
You can run 5 LEDs wide open longer then 6 LEDs. The 6 LEDs heats up faster do to there being more drivers and LEDs running and it will get to the point where the thermal control kicks in faster and truns it down. I would think it would take 6 longer to cool down and get back to wide open. This could also come in to play when doing a side by side test. If you had the 6 LED wide open then truned on the 5 LED if the thermal control had truned the 6 down the 5 would be brighter maybe.

This is where surface area comes into play.

Posted by plentyofpossum on 02-21-2012 05:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tyler Vaden
By the way what light do you think is the best and brightest?

I don't have a opinion on which is the best or brightest. Honestly I don't care. If I had the money right now to upgrade, I would buy Star hunting light 21v with sam davis's led head on it. I'm sure there is brighter than that, and there is some dimmer. I want it for battery life and no blown bulbs, not brightness. How much brighter do you guys need it to be? I hardly ever use my light on bright now. Eventually the light builders will either have to make a bigger head to accommodate the number of led's. Or go to a led capable of brighter light. I'm happy all the boss owners are happy. But you guys take it as a personal attack on you or bruce when someone suggests a different light maker. Calm down and let someone else have an opinion.

Posted by old ben on 02-21-2012 07:38 PM:

so which one is the brightest lol

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Posted by thebigcat454545 on 02-21-2012 08:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by old ben
so which one is the brightest lol

I would say both are plenty bright. I have a bright eyes now and they have great customer service but my next light will be a boss with cats eye just because I wanna try the cats eye.

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