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What is Mojo,really?

What is Mojo, really? On another thread a guy posted chop mouthed dogs and Mojo pups came up. Got me wondering. I'm supposed to get a pup out of mojo in a few weeks and want to know what traits he's passing on to his offspring. Obviously his pups are winning but do they sound like cur dogs wrapped up in a hounds body? Are they independent- too independent? Do they blow through the country passing up coon just to get deeper than the others? Do many fight at the tree? Apparently, no one one the stud dog tread knows anything about what he's producing either. Apparently, they are just seeing Winning dogs and drinking the flavor of the month koolaid like so many others. If I've got to pay big to get this pup and raise it I would like to know what I'm feeding him for. What to expect so to speak. I bought into the flavor of the month BS before too! Not good results at all. In the 80's it was houses lipper. I had 5 different pups out of him and all of them run deer so bad it was pathetic. Had 3 out of sakett jr and u cut a light on and they would tree right there. I even jumped a coon out to one and it feel on his head and he couldn't track it but he did go about 20 ft and tree Again!!! Just wondering!!!

In defense of Jr and Lipper, we owned a outstanding female in the late 80's out of lipper and she was a coon dog from tailgate to tree. I owned a dog off of Jr and he was a track driving, steady but not hard tree dog. and on top of that you will look long and hard to find a dog without the 2 dogs somewhere in their pedigree.

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Those dogs I'm talking about would tree coon too and a lot of them but you were not sure what they would run first... Never could break'em off deer. As for as sackett dogs I never owned a good one but hunting with a few. However, I really never liked that Few too much!

I've hunted with 5 Mojo pups, 3 drawn in PKC added purse hunts and 2 local dogs. Tap, Green and Mason were all a cut above what you generally run into at the added purse level and that's saying lot. The other two are one year olds and one is a very nice pup, the other has a ways to go yet. I like their mouths and I like their hunting style and the night in drew Tap, my dog treed 3 and Tap beat her by 2. He went 5 for 5 and that made me a Tap fan. I've heard otherwise about him, but I saw what I saw.

Now, here comes the part where I'll prolly offend but .........Some people just don't have the knack of starting pups. If I raised 3 out of Jr and 5 out of Lipper and none of them was worth a bullet, I'd being taking a harder look at myself and less at what I'm feeding.

Just reading your post, I bet those Mojo pups are praying you pass on them.

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Not bashing Lipper or Sackett jr I just didn't like what they reproduced directly out of them. For the record my raising pup to coon hound ratio is and always has been way above average to most people. Most of the ones a I raised trained and sold that didn't suit me were the best dogs the other men bought from me ever had. They just didn't have the traits ( like Lipper and Sackett jr) that I particularly liked. Reproduce they did just not what I wanted. My question is what does Mojo reproduce? Traits you are seeing! Winning is not a trait!

Mojo ran some tracks with chop mouth the whole way. Some of Mojo's pups are chop all the way more of the females then males from what I have seen, but there is a lot of Mojo pups are winning and as far I know all of Mojo pups have moms too.

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Originally posted by Tyler Vaden
and as far I know all of Mojo pups have moms too.

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I totally agree with the mom comment. If the pup was just out of any ole female I would not take it. However, back to original post. Too many pups out of Mojo to deny what he's putting in them himself. What are they?

i am hunting a mojo pup now grchnitech mojo's little devil. he needs one win to be grand nite an i have won money in pkc with him. he is super nice. sure mojo is like any other stud dog. an what i mean by that is that no matter what not every pup will make it. i have hunted with some great ones an some that i did not like off him. but over all they are winners., the one i am hunting now is very independent but not so independent that he want tree with other dogs. he is chop mouth on hot tracks an bowlin scream on cold tracks.

I hunted with a female directly off Mojo, she was triple harry bred. My friend liked her in the woods but was an idiot in the kennel most times. She wasn't treeing her own coon consistently at a lil over a year old would only tree on a super hot track or if one ran out in front of her. Didn't have a huge mouth it was average, she ran deer.

Didn't impress me too much since I had a female off Insane Cain treeing her own coon consistently at 8 and 9 months old with a huge male mouth. My female is bawl on track hard chop on tree.

But thats only one dog off of him. If I were you though i would call James Turpin and see what dogs he has off Clyde (littermate to insane Jane) and Insane Cain.

In my opinion the Female is more important than the stud. For some reason most think it's all the stud dog no matter what p.o.s. you breed to him. I for one put more emphasis on the mother. I guess I have had the same luck with Lipper dogs as Cody and I do know how to start pups, it's what I do best. The Sackett dogs I've seen as he described and I've seen flat out coondogs out of him. Brood gyp to me is the dirtiest word in coonhunting. It's not the dogs that need culled as much as the "breeders" thinking they know how to produce top hounds.

ive hunted with a few mojo dogs, they would all tree a coon and were real nice treedogs, they were just way to open on track for me and were chop mouth all the way. They also seemed to b ACCURATE. as far as cain dogs go ive seen some decent ones in them as well but they seemed to be extrmly "touchy", and ive seen a very high percentage that wouldnt do anytging and way to many curled tails. im sure all mojo dogs arent wide open on track like the ones I hunted with. other than theit track style I liked em. and I agree it depends alot on the female.

Just a comment about these young dogs.
I have found that many , if not most of them, are a lot more open and even downright mouthy as one year olds and tighten up considerably as they progress, many to the point of being almost semi-silent on the ground. Janice Joplin especially comes to mind, wide open as pup. I well remember the first time I saw here go. I thought man, that dog won't last two nights with Marv Schmucker. Of course, the rest is history. By the time she won the World Hunt she was third or fourth strike and very tight on the ground. She remains that way to this day. Our Kate bitch was a first strike dog as a one year old and is last strike now.
Many times we are seeing these pups on the front end of their career and that is not the style of dog you end up with for the other 80% of their career. But first impressions are the ones that stick and often the only one we have.
Maybe I'm too easy but if they are hunting hard, fired up and treeing coons, I can give the rest of it time to develope. But if the mouth ain't there, it never will be.

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I'm not a Walker man but I thought I'd give my two cents in here. I judged Mojo several times when Mr. Raxter was running him in the Purina Race. Three things really impressed me about Mojo:

1-He's a good looking hound. You've seen his picture I'm sure so you know this already. Looks don't tree coons but I would rather hunt a good looking dog.

2-He was a consistent coon dog. Was he perfect? No. I saw him get beat, but I also saw him hand a beating to a few dogs (not in the literal way, I never saw an ill hair on him in any way whatsoever). He was just about the same dog every night I hunted with him. Sometimes the breaks fell for him and sometimes they didn't. I didn't think he had a super-loud over-powering mouth, but he carries real well and it's a nice houndy tone. You could hear him treed with any company and over a lot of dogs. If there was some distance between you and the tree a lot of times he would sound louder than a dog who had a better mouth right up close.

3-Mr. Raxter was the epitome of professionalism and a real good guy. I believe he'd find your coon even if it cost him the world hunt. He is a first-class guy and the dog did all the work, he didn't do it through slick-handling. I can't say enough about how much I respect him after being his non-hunting judge on more than one occasion.

Like I said, I'm not a Walker guy so my opinion might not count as much but I thought Mojo was a nice, nice dog. I've never hunted with any of his pups so I can't help there.

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i had a double lipper bitch with a few shots of buck creek that i bred to mojo and let me tell you them pups at 3 1/2 months old had more drive and hunt toem than most 3 year olds i sold my pick of that litter at 5 months old at a lil over 4mos old he split treed from two dogs and had the meat he had first strike and this was done in the middle of december on state land but then again its mom is a reproducer as well most of that litter was chop/bawl on track with a big bawl locate and steady chop mouth tree dogs most mojo dogs ive hunted with are balanced hounds when they hit about two but most do have a prob barking at the house youll need to break lol

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I've seen em bawl mouth and chop mouth. I've saw one slick a good bit. I've saw another hardly miss at all. One has no reverse. One not a whole lot of hunt. Now theys a new one round here. He's just a baby but he's loud and sounds like a hound. I've not ran across a silent Mojo hound yet. May never. They do like to bark. Would I try one? Yep!

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To my knowledge I haven't drawn or hunted with a mojo hound . But I would have to say he is like any other stud hound out there , some make and some don't . If you dont give it a fair chance they aren't gonna make it no matter what it's out of . A lot of traits come from the females that are bred to , can't see him throwing straight chop mouth dogs .

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Thanks for the replies and info on him. I've got a pretty good idea about his pups now. Deal is... My friend bred a nt ch female to him and asked me if I wanted a pup. I told him sure! Hadn't hunted w/ mojo or any of his pups down here. Hard to come by I suppose. Wanted to know a little of what to expect...

One thing I have noticed out of my pup at 7 1/2 months old is I don't have to break him from doing anything twice.

He does bark a little at the house if I am outside working or something like that but one time telling him to hush and he will be quiet for hours.

He has a ton of drive in him to go hunting but at the same time if I am close enough to him that he can hear me he will come to me if I call him.

I guess what I am trying to say is the ones I have been around have been really naturally smart dogs.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
I've seen em bawl mouth and chop mouth. I've saw one slick a good bit. I've saw another hardly miss at all. One has no reverse. One not a whole lot of hunt. Now theys a new one round here. He's just a baby but he's loud and sounds like a hound. I've not ran across a silent Mojo hound yet. May never. They do like to bark. Would I try one? Yep!

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I like one that's pretty quit!!

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That odd Michael I thought you liked those big loud mouthed dogs that are obnoxious too? Lol

So what traits are you seeing a pattern of and expecting from your pup Cody?

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Originally posted by cody jaster
That odd Michael I thought you liked those big loud mouthed dogs that are obnoxious too? Lol

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I drew the Mojo Jr dog that won the first ever Mojo madness....we were hunting on a UKC ntch cast in Janesville, VA....everything I saw out of him liked...big Bawl mouth...good lookin hound as hair has grown on....spilt and hheld his pressure....good tree dog...only thing I Didnt like was that I wasn't leading him...we scored 5 singles that night and Mojo Jr had 1st and 1st on 4 of them...he is owned by Jimmy Burke