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Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 06:00 PM:

blowed up?

My pup was treeing coons consitently back when the wether was cold. Since the weather has changed all he wants to do is tree opposums and run track. Dont think hes running junk cause hes not moveing it anywere. Kind of just standing on his head. Do you all beleive a dog can just blow up? This is the 3rd dog out of this stud that has done this. Is it just a spell hes going through or what?

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Posted by Cory Highfill on 03-16-2014 06:08 PM:

Put him up for a month, maybe two. Give him time to get his head straight, and get his "want to" back.

Don't mean to sound critical, but if you've had three pups that got to a point, then went backwards, it may be the trainer and not breeder that's causing the issues.

Posted by Slowpoke 2012 on 03-16-2014 06:13 PM:

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Put him up for a month, maybe two. Give him time to get his head straight, and get his "want to" back.

X2. I've had two pups do this and putting them up can help. I've also tried to just keep hunting them till they got threw it. To be honest I culled both dogs but I know for a fact some dogs come out of it. Good luck.

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Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 06:56 PM:

It could be the trainer. I had the pup looking great back in the winter. He started treeing opposums bad so i started trien everything to break him off them. The pup is capable of being a great dog cause ive seen him look great. I just beleive its genitics. I could be wrong though. Been wrong before.

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Posted by Ky Show Girl on 03-16-2014 07:34 PM:

i never seen a tree dog that wouldnt tree 1

Posted by Gary Thompson on 03-16-2014 08:05 PM:

Take him to the vet and check his thyroid , and if it is below a 2 , then that's the problem,

Posted by Ky Show Girl on 03-16-2014 08:13 PM:

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Take him to the vet and check his thyroid , and if it is below a 2 , then that's the problem,

could be i read he gave him a 101 class the other night.he is just shoot them out and leaving them once he shoots them all
out of the woods problem solved are maybe baiting for more.

Posted by buck brush on 03-16-2014 08:32 PM:

how old is you pup and how old was he when he treed his first opposum? and how many coon has he treed ?

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Posted by Jackson87 on 03-16-2014 08:34 PM:

Maybe all the possum correcting has this young dog unsure of what he's supposed to do...

Posted by Gary Thompson on 03-16-2014 09:01 PM:

Jackson87 ,, now that could be the problem , to much stomping can get one confused

Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 09:36 PM:

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Originally posted by buck brush
how old is you pup and how old was he when he treed his first opposum? and how many coon has he treed ?

Hes 10 months old and he was probably 7 months old when he treed his first opposum. He didnt really have a problem with them at first. Hes probably treed 30-35 coons by his self and hes seen 8 of them. All of a sudden he just started treeing opposums every night. Now ive tried everything. So i could have his mind blowed. Might not be the pup at all. But ive had differnt pups out of the same stud that blowed up own that i know i didnt do nothin to. This one could be my fault. But if i cant stop the opposum problem hes worthless to me.

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Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 09:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Jackson87
Maybe all the possum correcting has this young dog unsure of what he's supposed to do...

Id say you are right. I beleive ill lay him up a couple days and try something else. Im confused and so is my pup.

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Posted by roy mac on 03-16-2014 10:12 PM:

I don't know how hard you are hunting your dog but starting dogs to young and hunting them like a three year old can do more harm than good .that being said if two or three other dogs out of this same cross have done the something I do believe its something in the gene pool causing the problem. not him getting thumped for something he knows he is not suppose to do.

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Posted by Nova70 on 03-16-2014 10:19 PM:

why is he worthless to you if he trees a grinner you said that you don't mind a 5 - 10 deer chase on your 1 post remember????

Posted by pamjohnson on 03-16-2014 10:22 PM:

not sure

so it's a guess some dogs can track better at different times of the year. even when tracking conditions seem ideal it not for some but it is for others. this may or may not help.

Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 10:29 PM:

I hunt hard. Everynight 3-4 hrs a night on average. Sometimes more sometimes less. Never miss two nights in a role except back in the winter i missed 3 nights one week. Ive hunted him pretty hard all winter long and he was doing great. First strike dog that gets treed by his self when he trees and was real accurate. Here lately hes been missing and treeing more opposums than you could pack. Ive beat him with them. Shocked him off them. Put ammonia on them. Through them in his dog box and hauled him around with them. He just gets worse and worse. Had 2 more the same way. When they started was very accurate and get deep and alone. Both blew up. One started runnin deer and got were he would leave a coon to back a slick treeing dog. The other one went from treeing coons to wanting to run all night. Both of them never got much correction for nothin. So i know those wasnt my fault. But ill ruin one before i walk to all these opposums. Took him to a hunt the other night and he had a 100 on strike and a 100 on tree. Got in their and it was a opposum laying in the bottom of a den. Thats after trien everything under the sun.

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Posted by Jackson87 on 03-16-2014 10:29 PM:

Jason he will prolly come out of it.Some strains of hounds do love possums.Ive never had a dog that would mess with a possum so I can't help you there.Id try and hunt him in some decent coon spots cause coon are really on the move right now.I would stop shooting out and beating him with possums cause that is making him worse. Goodluck

Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 10:33 PM:

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Originally posted by Nova70
why is he worthless to you if he trees a grinner you said that you don't mind a 5 - 10 deer chase on your 1 post remember????

Is it that hard for you to understand. You can hide a 5-10 min deer race you cant hide a slick tail lookin down at you. Some people want differnt things and thats fine with me. I will not put up with a opposum treeing dog.

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Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 10:36 PM:

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Originally posted by Jackson87
Jason he will prolly come out of it.Some strains of hounds do love possums.Ive never had a dog that would mess with a possum so I can't help you there.Id try and hunt him in some decent coon spots cause coon are really on the move right now.I would stop shooting out and beating him with possums cause that is making him worse. Goodluck

Yeah im done beating him with them. It is just makeing him worse. Been hunting him were theirs coons. He treed one friday night and pulled twenty yards to a slick tree. Hes getting on my last nerve. Lol

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Posted by Nova70 on 03-16-2014 11:03 PM:

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Originally posted by ole hoss
I hunt hard. Everynight 3-4 hrs a night on average. Sometimes more sometimes less. Never miss two nights in a role except back in the winter i missed 3 nights one week. Ive hunted him pretty hard all winter long and he was doing great. First strike dog that gets treed by his self when he trees and was real accurate. Here lately hes been missing and treeing more opposums than you could pack. Ive beat him with them. Shocked him off them. Put ammonia on them. Through them in his dog box and hauled him around with them. He just gets worse and worse. Had 2 more the same way. When they started was very accurate and get deep and alone. Both blew up. One started runnin deer and got were he would leave a coon to back a slick treeing dog. The other one went from treeing coons to wanting to run all night. Both of them never got much correction for nothin. So i know those wasnt my fault. But ill ruin one before i walk to all these opposums. Took him to a hunt the other night and he had a 100 on strike and a 100 on tree. Got in their and it was a opposum laying in the bottom of a den. Thats after trien everything under the sun.

I cant understand how you got a 100 on strike and 100 on tree cant hide this some people like different things I like 100 1st 125 1 st tree grinner in the bottom of the den??? at the hunts I attend you aren't allowed to climb trees to lookin but then again 1 st tree is 125 untold stories lol I am not being smart you said that you didn't care if you won or not you just do it to have fun so big deal if you tree a grinner there is nothing saying that when he runs a deer he is going to drop off and tree a coon I have been reading some of your post they just don't make sence at all why would you run your dog off a tree when he backs another dog ?? if all dogs are running same coon dogs tree your dog leaves tree then what the 8 gets put on your dog what if he don't hit another track just hangs out out of sight your getting the big minus right I would rather get some kind of tree points if he comes in while they are shinning tree rather he trees or not coon is seen minus again again to each there own I do not know everything or claim to again not being smart but you can tell people how to break there dog but a young kid that you are with all your knowledge cant break your own dog again not being smart glad you ask for some advice like I asked you before if you don't care if you win why not break your dog off all trash not just grinners

Posted by john Duemmer on 03-16-2014 11:10 PM:

I had a real hardheaded possum lovin dog that i was about to quit on.
I live trapped a grinner and set the trap in his kennel right next to his dog box, everytime he even looked at that possum i shocked him on about 3. That possum lived there for about a week, after the first couple days he stayed as far away from that possum as he could.
That dog was trashy all his life but he never barked at another possum.

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Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 11:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Nova70
I cant understand how you got a 100 on strike and 100 on tree cant hide this some people like different things I like 100 1st 125 1 st tree grinner in the bottom of the den??? at the hunts I attend you aren't allowed to climb trees to lookin but then again 1 st tree is 125 untold stories lol I am not being smart you said that you didn't care if you won or not you just do it to have fun so big deal if you tree a grinner there is nothing saying that when he runs a deer he is going to drop off and tree a coon I have been reading some of your post they just don't make sence at all why would you run your dog off a tree when he backs another dog ?? if all dogs are running same coon dogs tree your dog leaves tree then what the 8 gets put on your dog what if he don't hit another track just hangs out out of sight your getting the big minus right I would rather get some kind of tree points if he comes in while they are shinning tree rather he trees or not coon is seen minus again again to each there own I do not know everything or claim to again not being smart but you can tell people how to break there dog but a young kid that you are with all your knowledge cant break your own dog again not being smart glad you ask for some advice like I asked you before if you don't care if you win why not break your dog off all trash not just grinners

Im not gonna keep going back and forths with you. I was hunting pkc and would figure you would know that. In pkc you get 100 for first strike and 100 on first tree. The **** opposum was sitting on the bottom of the den. You ever seen that happen? Get off here and go huntin and you would. I get it you like a straight coon dog. You have the best dogs and they dont run junk or tree opposums. Congratulations!!! Mine run deer and you know what i dont care. I like it. Mine tree opposums and i hate it. He keeps treeing them and you can have him to put beside the rest of those world champs you got.

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Posted by ole hoss on 03-16-2014 11:49 PM:

You know everybody dont like the same traits in a coon dog. I cant stand a me
Too dog or a opposum tree dog. I can deal with a lil deer race as long as he doesnt bust through the country with it and gets off on a coon. Some hate that and i understand that. Some even like them to tree opposums and i can understand that too. I dont gripe about what anyone likes. Im probably as honest as they come when i describe my dogs. I have yet to see a perfect coon hound. Im sure some of you have one out their but i havent ever owned one. Ive seen some i really liked but not a perfect one. The thread wasnt about how to break him. Its about do you beleive a dog can blow up and go backwards insteard of forward? I aint asking for advice cause ive done everything i was told to do and it just messed him up more. Im not saying you guys were wrong. Thats were this thread came in at. Do you beleive a dog can blow up?

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Posted by buck brush on 03-17-2014 12:54 AM:

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Originally posted by ole hoss
Hes 10 months old and he was probably 7 months old when he treed his first opposum. He didnt really have a problem with them at first. Hes probably treed 30-35 coons by his self and hes seen 8 of them. All of a sudden he just started treeing opposums every night. Now ive tried everything. So i could have his mind blowed. Might not be the pup at all. But ive had differnt pups out of the same stud that blowed up own that i know i didnt do nothin to. This one could be my fault. But if i cant stop the opposum problem hes worthless to me.

now this is all JMO

1. he is young i would not do anything to him when he trees a opposum just hook him up and tell him no and lead him away

2 if he has treed that many coon why has he only seen 8 of them i give my young dogs every coon they tree, but that is me.
i would lay him up for a few night and start over when the whearther breaks and the sentting is good he will come out of it on his owen,

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