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Settle an argumaent Hunt ??

4 dog cast and ALL dogs are struck
Dog A B and C are declared treed
Dog D is trailing towards a road

Handler of Dog D wants to call interference and get his dog off the road and cast agreed.
Dogs A B and C have a coon and are plussed
Dog D catches his dog and did not receive minus and keeps hunting the rest of the hunt.

Whats your thoughts?????

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Should not have been able to call time out until after the tree was shined

If the cast votes to call time out for the dog being in danger at the road then dog D's strike points are deleted per rule 5.d. The dogs declared treed will still be scored because they were treed before time out was called.

If the cast votes to not call time out then the handler of dog D must scratch his dog to handle it at the road.

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The Master of Hounds has settled it correctly!

When the handlers of A,B, and C found out that they dont get to shine and score a tree during a timeout, they probably wished they could reconsider that vote.

I would say delete for everyone.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
When the handlers of A,B, and C found out that they dont get to shine and score a tree during a timeout, they probably wished they could reconsider that vote.

I would say delete for everyone.

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You guys lost me! I thought time out was time out! How do you run time out and shine a tree. Looks like you're clock and the guy with the hour to catch his would be different because to shine a tree time goes back in. So with that being said you have to score the tree and then call time out.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
When the handlers of A,B, and C found out that they dont get to shine and score a tree during a timeout, they probably wished they could reconsider that vote.

I would say delete for everyone.

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Originally posted by donaldpeyton
You guys lost me! I thought time out was time out! How do you run time out and shine a tree. Looks like you're clock and the guy with the hDang! I got to go to meriata tomorrow! our to catch his would be different because to shine a tree time goes back in. So with that being said you have to score the tree and then call time out.

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So you're dog was the reason time out was called and then you scored him! Why call time out? I don't understand.

Sry but u can nt call time out when dogs r treed so dog d is iut if he is handle

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Originally posted by donaldpeyton
So you're dog was the reason time out was called and then you scored him! Why call time out? I don't understand.

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Originally posted by red hot sassy
Sry but u can nt call time out when dogs r treed so dog d is iut if he is handle

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i guess i have always done it wrong. i have always done it if you call timeout for interference all dogs get deleted. if they are treed and call interference i just delete strike and tree and don't even try to score it.

I would have not thought so many didnt know this. Anything treed before time being called gets scored. Just like treeing with a min left in hunt. You go and score that dog even after hunting time has ended. No difference really.

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It is not hard to understand. Dogs treed before timeout is called still get to score their tree. The handler of dog near the road has one hour to get his dog and rejoin the cast. Dog near road gets strike points deleted and the three dogs treed are scored. Easy way to put it, dog D had timeout called on him (one hour). Three dogs treed are scored (takes a majority of cast to score tree). Start the hour on dog D at say 10:35 so he has until 11:35 to rejoin cast. Three cast members score tree and call timeout on tree after 25 minutes of hunt time has been used from start of drop till tree is scored. The hunt clock stops then but dog D's timeout clock is still running. So basically you run an hour on dog D and stop the hunt clock after the tree is scored. You can score the tree while dog D is being retrieved but you have to run two clocks, a hunt clock and an hour clock.

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I dont see where scoreing dogs without the clock running has ever been allowed, except when 12o minutes have been used.
Dog Ds. handler has one hour to retrieve his dog so how would you score that tree in a 2 dog cast? and even if you could get it done you would have to start the hunt clock for the shinetime while handler D was catching his dog.
Unless UKC. says different i think when time is called in accordance with rule 7 rule 5f says all points are deleted.

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Originally posted by The Seeker
So what you are saying is, if you strike and tree your dog and the rest of the cast decides to call time out your points are deleted? Not my dog.
This happened to me. My dog got out of pocket and We heard him I struck and treed him. The guide said we weren't suppose to be on that land and we called time out. I said we still had to go to my dog and score him. He had the coon and I GOT PLUS POINTS. Time in score the tree plus the dog.

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Thst is wat I'm sayin u can not call time out when dogs r treed the handler for dog will have to wd his dog ttoo handle it just call ukc

read Bill's post up top and you have your answer and yes dog D has an hour to handle his dog

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
If the cast votes to call time out for the dog being in danger at the road then dog D's strike points are deleted per rule 5.d. The dogs declared treed will still be scored because they were treed before time out was called.

If the cast votes to not call time out then the handler of dog D must scratch his dog to handle it at the road.

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Now once timeout is called . To me A , B , C wouldn't call time back in to shine until D gets back or scratched for the one hour . You have to wait . The reason being is , the dogs A , B ,C hunt time left to hunt would be less than dog D .

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I'm voting time out as soon as I tree! Lol

Donald,

Rule 7 in the Official UKC Coonhound Rulebook deals with calling time out. These are the instances when it is appropriate to call time out. The first one says:

"(a) When dogs are getting on highway , trail onto posted land or trail into a place where there is danger to dogs or hunters."

When that condition is met (dogs get on highway, on posted ground, or are in a place of danger) time out may be called if there is a majority of the cast who votes to do so. Whenever timeout is called it has always been that dogs who have strike points pending (struck in but not scored) will have those points deleted (Rule 5(e)), and dogs who have been declared treed prior to calling time out must be scored accordingly (you must score their tree). This is found in Rule 11 (a) "Dogs declared treed within hunting time are eligible for scoring".

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I think the rule you are thinking about is rule 7(f) which deals with a totally different situation. It states:

"If all dogs are declared treed or are on leash time out shall be called after 10 minutes of hunt time has been used walking to each split tree. Time is back in during shining time or if dog leaves tree."

This is talking about calling time out to walk to trees / split trees. The dogs do not have to necessarily be split treed for this to come into effect, but all of them have to be either declared treed or handled. Say, for instance, all 4 dogs are on the same tree a ways away, once the cast uses 10 minutes of hunt time walking to the tree, time out should be called to complete the trip to the tree. You start time back in to score the tree or at any time a dog leaves the tree.

I hope this helps.

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
If the cast votes to call time out for the dog being in danger at the road then dog D's strike points are deleted per rule 5.d. The dogs declared treed will still be scored because they were treed before time out was called.

If the cast votes to not call time out then the handler of dog D must scratch his dog to handle it at the road.

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