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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-17-2012 09:33 PM:

Who you think he voted for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...p;v=DL-a-r7iJIU

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Posted by john Duemmer on 11-17-2012 10:46 PM:

Very sad and the fact is without him and the hundreds of thousands of others just like him created by the liberals social programs The President we have now would not be in office.
The BIG question we face now is since the working man has become the minority in this country, how do we turn it around ?.
We will probably never again have the power to stop it on election day, but we still create the wealth that feeds the monster.

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Posted by groworg1 on 11-17-2012 11:02 PM:

first off its a tv show do you think survivor is real ? i'll bet you watch wwf every week too believing thats real too its reality tv not real tv anything goes its called entertainment ! judge judy is just another rich republican trying to rally the base ! my sister inlaw argued with me for over a hour that survivor was real and she's farther to the right then i am to the left !

Posted by john Duemmer on 11-17-2012 11:16 PM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
first off its a tv show do you think survivor is real ? i'll bet you watch wwf every week too believing thats real too its reality tv not real tv anything goes its called entertainment ! judge judy is just another rich republican trying to rally the base ! my sister inlaw argued with me for over a hour that survivor was real and she's farther to the right then i am to the left !

Real or not its symbolic of a huge problem we face as a nation. If you deny that there is a huge and growing segment of our society just like this character you need to get out more often and look around.

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Posted by Jm265 on 11-18-2012 02:11 AM:

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Real or not its symbolic of a huge problem we face as a nation. If you deny that there is a huge and growing segment of our society just like this character you need to get out more often and look around.

ARE NATION FACES SEVERAL PROBLEMS AND A REPUBLICAN PREZ WOULD HAVE PUT US COMPLETLY UNDER.

Posted by oklared on 11-18-2012 02:23 AM:

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ARE NATION FACES SEVERAL PROBLEMS AND A REPUBLICAN PREZ WOULD HAVE PUT US COMPLETLY UNDER.

WE'D PROBABLY STILL HAVE TWINKIES

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Posted by groworg1 on 11-18-2012 02:49 AM:

thats a long reach the next term doesn't even start till jan 21 2013 !

Posted by jimbob_walker on 11-18-2012 02:50 AM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
first off its a tv show do you think survivor is real ? i'll bet you watch wwf every week too believing thats real too its reality tv not real tv anything goes its called entertainment ! judge judy is just another rich republican trying to rally the base ! my sister inlaw argued with me for over a hour that survivor was real and she's farther to the right then i am to the left !

wether or not this show is real, the fact that our country is falling because of feeding, housing and supplying the ones with the lack of any type work ethic is very real. our country became as great as it WAS because of the people of the old days. just about everyone thinks someone owes them something these days. im not saying there isnt people who need it, but they are the ones who have to fight to get it. i see it every day. i travel the country for work and i see more than what goes on in my little hick town. this summer i was watching the news and there was 2 guys standing on the corner and the news reporter asked them questions about finding a job and their reply was " we's waiting on our oboma money. we's aint lookin for no job."

Posted by headless01 on 11-18-2012 07:00 AM:

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Originally posted by oklared
WE'D PROBABLY STILL HAVE TWINKIES

yep, we're all in now, its a done deal, so theres 50,000 new latino votes every month now and they said on tv today to act like they were their friend. its over as far as party voting, too much divided hatred, lookout for coop or a goverment take over like over in middle east.
GOD, WHO GIVE US A CHOICE, HELP US CAUSE WE'VE LOST OUR WAY.

Posted by Smoke on 11-18-2012 12:50 PM:

What WWF isn't real???

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Posted by solo sammy on 11-18-2012 10:52 PM:

man i cant beleave you guys are still crying about mitless getting yalls buts dusted.joe i never took you for a big cry baby no.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-19-2012 12:01 AM:

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man i cant beleave you guys are still crying about mitless getting yalls buts dusted.joe i never took you for a big cry baby no.

So you really think I'm crying over the loss of an election? See you think you know me, but you really don't.

What concerns me MUCH more is the loss of a way of life. The attitude pointed out in the video above is what concerns me. The "you owe it to me" mentality....the I don't really have to carry my weight because someone else will.

What threatens me more is the $16 TRILLION deficit that we as a nation have, and NO plan to attack it head on. I don't give a rodent's fanny who's "in charge", as long as someone is....and right now, it sure smells like the fox is in the henhouse, and the farmer isn't home!

You guys mean to tell me that you are not alarmed by the ever growing number of folks that are below the poverty line? Are you oblivious to the fact that the number of people relying on food stamps has increased exponentially?

If one of the folks that are admittedly "liberal" or deep blue would JUST ONE TIME EXPRESS SOME KIND OF CONCERN THAT OUR COUNTRY IS SPINNING IN THE COMMODE.....I WOULD HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE! However, what is happening is the left is so busy patting themselves on the back, and praising each other for "winning", and the others are "sore losers"....you can't see that the middle class is being destroyed, and it is being replaced by the working poor. Soon we will have the poor, the working poor, and the "rich"....and that seems to be okay with you guys! It ain't about who won the election, it's who is losing their place in America.

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Posted by trackdriver on 11-19-2012 12:10 AM:

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
So you really think I'm crying over the loss of an election? See you think you know me, but you really don't.

What concerns me MUCH more is the loss of a way of life. The attitude pointed out in the video above is what concerns me. The "you owe it to me" mentality....the I don't really have to carry my weight because someone else will.

What threatens me more is the $16 TRILLION deficit that we as a nation have, and NO plan to attack it head on. I don't give a rodent's fanny who's "in charge", as long as someone is....and right now, it sure smells like the fox is in the henhouse, and the farmer isn't home!

You guys mean to tell me that you are not alarmed by the ever growing number of folks that are below the poverty line? Are you oblivious to the fact that the number of people relying on food stamps has increased exponentially?

If one of the folks that are admittedly "liberal" or deep blue would JUST ONE TIME EXPRESS SOME KIND OF CONCERN THAT OUR COUNTRY IS SPINNING IN THE COMMODE.....I WOULD HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE! However, what is happening is the left is so busy patting themselves on the back, and praising each other for "winning", and the others are "sore losers"....you can't see that the middle class is being destroyed, and it is being replaced by the working poor. Soon we will have the poor, the working poor, and the "rich"....and that seems to be okay with you guys! It ain't about who won the election, it's who is losing their place in America.

Crying.lol!! Romney,rich business man,voted for him!! Bush,rich business man voted for him and never complained?

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-19-2012 12:16 AM:

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Crying.lol!! Romney,rich business man,voted for him!! Bush,rich business man voted for him and never complained?

Oh come on....is that the best you can do? REALLY?

You can't even come close to admitting that this country is screwed up....You can't defend the "plan" that the President that you support has in place...oh, sorry bout that...forgot for a second that he doesn't really have a plan.

More of the same means that our deficit should be just shy of $25 to $27 Trillion by the next election....10% to 14% unemployment, and upwards of 60 million folks on food stamps.... Hope that you are not one of the unemployed or on food stamps at some point in the next four years....

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Posted by Duane Kehres on 11-19-2012 07:51 PM:

Very well put joe.....some people just dont get it!!

Posted by solo sammy on 11-19-2012 09:45 PM:

hey joe i just cant under stand where you guys were at when bush was screwing up the country ,man i didn't here a peep out of you guys ok joe.hey friends just think about it,IFbush had not screwed up we would not be in dis funtion ok. but the bad thing about that too ,we might not have a barack obama ok.

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Posted by Chris.S on 11-19-2012 09:50 PM:

I grew up in the inner city, some would argue it was "THE HOOD". I frequently speak with many people that still live there and visit friends and family there frequently. I'm as comfortable there as I'm am in the middle nowhere alone at 3:00am listening to a dog treed. What I'm saying is I have a very different perspective then most who visit this site.

I mean this with all honesty, I've met more !@#% coonhunters that "draw a check" but manage to hunt most nights than I EVER knew who "drew a check" growing up or since. I've always figured that if I could coonhunt at night I could drag my butt out of bed in the morning and go to work the next day, but not everybody feels that way!

Believe me this door swings BOTH WAYS!

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Posted by john Duemmer on 11-19-2012 10:19 PM:

Thats Solo Sammy on the judge Judy show, has to be, no two people could think that much like.

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Posted by jason2579 on 11-19-2012 10:34 PM:

Joe I got a ? I want a republican view on this. I'm democrat although my views are not necessarly the same as other democrats. How much is a enough ? How much do think a person rather working class or college educated business man needs to live on. How much? Don't get me wrong i believe some people should make more do to education or skill of the work their doing but how much is enough. Now before everyone goes crazy let me make this clear. I don't believe in hand outs. I believe if you put a honest days work in you should get a honest days pay and i don't believe a honest days pay is below the cost of living. I don't believe CEO and such should earn 10's of millions of dollars but i believe they should earn more than a laborer. I believe that everyone should have to pay their fair share in taxes no one should get a break. I believe their should be welfare, immigration reform. I believe if you haven't worked or earned for a hand up your not entitled for a hand out. I believe our veterans and retirees should be taking care of. I believe the government should do what they can to keep jobs here. But i also believe a lot these companies get themselves in trouble by paying out these CEO and GM's ungodly amounts of money just the same as sports teams pay out dumb salaries for players. So what would be comfortable amount for someone to live on of course i understand each state here is different.. Or should it be that people that build make assemble bust their knuckles making these products building homes laying concrete go living below cost of living while those in power of these companies keep on living well beyond their means.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-19-2012 11:31 PM:

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Originally posted by jason2579
Joe I got a ? I want a republican view on this. I'm democrat although my views are not necessarly the same as other democrats. How much is a enough ? How much do think a person rather working class or college educated business man needs to live on. How much? Don't get me wrong i believe some people should make more do to education or skill of the work their doing but how much is enough. Now before everyone goes crazy let me make this clear. I don't believe in hand outs. I believe if you put a honest days work in you should get a honest days pay and i don't believe a honest days pay is below the cost of living. I don't believe CEO and such should earn 10's of millions of dollars but i believe they should earn more than a laborer. I believe that everyone should have to pay their fair share in taxes no one should get a break. I believe their should be welfare, immigration reform. I believe if you haven't worked or earned for a hand up your not entitled for a hand out. I believe our veterans and retirees should be taking care of. I believe the government should do what they can to keep jobs here. But i also believe a lot these companies get themselves in trouble by paying out these CEO and GM's ungodly amounts of money just the same as sports teams pay out dumb salaries for players. So what would be comfortable amount for someone to live on of course i understand each state here is different.. Or should it be that people that build make assemble bust their knuckles making these products building homes laying concrete go living below cost of living while those in power of these companies keep on living well beyond their means.

I don't know that I have a "republican" answer, but I can give you the best "common sense" answer that I can. I've stated before that I am an independent voter not affiliated with either party, but I probably lean a little right of center in my beliefs.

I will try to answer your question, but in order to do so, I want to ask you a few questions and allow you to form your own opinion.

First off, why should there be a "ceiling"? I know a couple of folks that are Vice-Presidents of large, multi-billion dollar companies that are publicly traded on the stock market. Both of them have not only Bachelor degrees, they also both have Master's degrees in business. I don't have exact figures, but they both graduated from college with close to $100,000 in education debt. After college they found "entry level" positions in their respective companies and as the "cream of the crop" both of them rose to the top quickly. They worked hard as salaried employees. They were young, inexperienced, and both were raising families buying modest homes, and paying off student loans.

Soon, as they proved themselves to be "above average" they were given new opportunities in the companies. The hours got long, the responsibilities got heavy, and the pay got better along the way. One traveled and was on the road 40 weeks of the year. He was at the time leading the bidding and negotiations with the companies US Military business. His success or failure meant that a couple thousand folks in the companies Military Contract branch got to keep their job, and the stockholders found value in owning the stock. As time went on, he wasn't working 40 hours a week, he was working 75 or 80 hours a week. When he wasn't at work, he was on the golf course with some one star general....playing golf and discussing business. Without going into every detail of how his life progressed, know that he was dedicating nearly every waking moment to his job, to his career, and to his future. What little time he had left was devoted to his family. Now notice, he had NO time left for himself.

Through a series of promotions, this friend kept moving up in the company, and with each promotion his salary got larger, but so did his responsibility....the number of people that depended on him making the "right call", to continue to ensure that the company was profitable and successful got larger. And with each promotion the expectations from the folks that he answered too get larger and more detailed.

Now, having said all of that...in reality his salary has indeed gone up. But with added responsibility, added time on the job, and added expectations should be rewaded. Such is the life of the VP, CEO, COO, CIO and any other corporate officer. The thought process is that you want to attract the "best of the best" and being a corporate officer means that you don't have a job, you have devoted your entire life to the company. You NEVER clock out...You NEVER clock in. You are at work all of the time.

I had one of those jobs once, and I can remember getting up from the table on Thanksgiving and checking email, and on Christmas I went in to work to relieve the folks that were working for me so they could go home and be with their families.

Companies that pay corporate officers large sums of money don't "get themselves into trouble" by paying those large sums...they get into trouble paying THE WRONG people those large sums. Most of the time, those large salaries are actually mostly bonus and/or stock options. They are a reward for doing a good job. They normally come with "golden parachutes" that are put in place to ensure that if I come in and "save" your company...your gonna pay me to do so...and if I do my job, you can't just "let me go" once the danger is passed. Or the board can't decide to merge with another company and sell out...leaving me without a job.

Time for another question. Do you know what you call a Dr. that graduates at the bottom of his class? You call him Dr. ....that is what you call him. An education does not make you successful, and taking a job does not make you a worker. I still believe that this is the land of the free and the home of the brave. There is opportunity for anyone that is willing to work for it, recognizes that opportunity is knocking, and is willing to do the work to "get up and answer the door".

If someone is stuck in a job working "below the cost of living"...they choose to continue doing so. By showing that you have value as a worker, that you are willing to take on more responsibility, start your own business, or move up the corporate ladder, the opportunity is there. But nobody will ever want the responsibility of running a company if there is a "limit" or ceiling on how much they can make in doing so.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-19-2012 11:50 PM:

To go on, I had a job that made "above average means".

I had an office at work, and an office at home. I would go home from the office after 10 hours to have dinner with the family, put the kids to bed, and retire to my office at home. I carried a pager, a smart phone (when they first came out), and a laptop.

I would get out of bed to be on a conference call with folks in Taiwan at 2:00 AM after working till Midnight.

I was on a salary, no overtime pay, not a dime. I worked every holiday at least part of the day. Wen't for four years without taking a "vacation"...went on a cruise once and took my laptop so that I could keep up in email. One year I traveled to a big hunt...had to make sure I had internet in my room because I would work all day, and hunt at night. I calculated my "hourly" rate once and it was far below what 60% of the folks that called me "boss".

Now having said that, I also was on a "bonus" plan. That bonus was hinged upon the profitability of the company that I was working in, and in the division that I was responsible for. If I was able to meet the financial goals that were set by my Boss, then I got a substantial bonus, which included stock options. The stock options were incentive for me to CONTINUE to be profitable...because as the value in the company went up, the price of the stock went up..making me more money.

Was it "fair" for me to make above average means? I thought so at the time when I had 100 people that reported to me and they clocked out after their shift and went home to their family.....had friends, hobbies, coached their kids little league teams, managed to stay married to the same person because they were a part of that persons life.....

Would I do it over again....NOPE.

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Posted by Jackson87 on 11-19-2012 11:50 PM:

It is sad that the hard workin americans with morals have become the minority.It doesnt matter who the man is in charge.That video is the way people are thinkin now adays.Why would they work,pay rent or be responsible when they can get a free ride?We have SREWED UP system!Joe and John you guys are totally right.

Posted by rance56 on 11-20-2012 12:26 AM:

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Originally posted by jason2579
Joe I got a ? I want a republican view on this. I'm democrat although my views are not necessarly the same as other democrats. How much is a enough ? How much do think a person rather working class or college educated business man needs to live on. How much? Don't get me wrong i believe some people should make more do to education or skill of the work their doing but how much is enough. Now before everyone goes crazy let me make this clear. I don't believe in hand outs. I believe if you put a honest days work in you should get a honest days pay and i don't believe a honest days pay is below the cost of living. I don't believe CEO and such should earn 10's of millions of dollars but i believe they should earn more than a laborer. I believe that everyone should have to pay their fair share in taxes no one should get a break. I believe their should be just the same as sports teams pay out dumb salaries for players. So what would be comfortable amount for someone to live on of course i understand each state here is different.. Or should it be that people that build make assemble bust their knuckles making these products building homes laying concrete go living below cost of living while those in power of these companies keep on living well beyond their means.

I think maybe anyone asking these type of questions should just up an move to a communist or socialist country. How much is enuff. Just what ever the market will beAr. It's called supply an demand. In this country there is no such thing as too much income. That's the American dream incase y'all forgot. Nowadays instead of folks coming here to chase their wildest dreams they come for govt handouts. It isn't education scores that makes a country great it's innovation and entrepenuership an that's why the USA is so great an will stay on top because our freedom allows us to be dreamers. That is until folks like some on here wAnt to squash it for the greAter good of the community at the expense of the individual. If business owners an CEOs got it so easy then go be one

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Posted by jackbob42 on 11-20-2012 02:45 PM:

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....... How much is a enough ? How much do think a person rather working class or college educated business man needs to live on. How much? ........

I'll give you an AMERICAN answer.....
As much as he can negotiate for himself WITOUT the government , or anybody else , trying to put restrictions on it.
It should be a decision between the person doing the work and the person paying for that work.
It's nobody elses concern.

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Posted by jason2579 on 11-20-2012 02:47 PM:

Number 1 rance i know your so far right it wouldn't matter. Number 2 i served this country and bled for it so i guess i earned the right to ask what i want? I'm not disagreeing with Joe just asking a ? Much like joe said and i stated people in higher position should get more. But the common working man also works long hours some of my friends put in 65 70 hour work weeks some are on call 24 7 that are skilled laborers or managers of major retail stores they get no overtime they get no bonuses but if they weren't there to do the work nothing would get done. It's kinda of 2 way street. You can have all the people at the top making the right decision but still doesn't matter if you don't have the right labor force backing you and building your product selling your product. Company i work for recently built a huge plant in mexico. Relocated 50% of their product there cause labor here was to high. How much do you think has been brought back to the US due to fact that their running JUNK there. And why would these people care about what they run for 1.75 a hour. This multi million dollar factory they built builds less than 25% of their product now. My dream is not to be a rich person but to have job where i can afford gas food a house send my kids to college and take a vacation when i can and lay my head down at night knowing i don't have worry about my bills being paid. I don't need a 200,0000 home,200,000 car or a lot cash to throw around to say i'm high society. I'm perfectly fine with being skilled laborer. So anytime you want talk about politics Rance shoot me a call. You probably be surprised that this Democrat and several other working democrats are not so far off on your believes as well. Matter fact i don't remember anyone of the guys i work with ever saying they want to be rich or enjoy a illegal immigrant coming in taking their job or illegal immigrants getting medicare or SS that they haven't earned or getting government beneifits that they shouldn't get. Now as far as you saying i should move to communist country LOL. You sound just like another guy i know. Crying about how he can't vote or carry gun cause the communist US government made 3rd owi a felony offense. Well let's see i got go by same laws you got go by the same laws much like some of these companies someone or some people that keep making bad decisions sooner later it's gonna bite ya.

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