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Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 05:30 AM:

dog wont tree!!!!

This is a 13 month old zeb 3 pup. Aint seen a ton of hunting till i got him and ive had him in the woods every night!!! All night some nights for probably 3 weeks. Burns a track like a track star but when it goes up he will just mingle around or go find another. If another dog trees he will be their with them when you get their. Ive thought he located a few times but not for sure. Ive tried every thing i know. Tie him back and dont let him have the meat!!! Hang ups he barked at a little. He will bark his hind end off at one when it hits the ground. Goes nuts. Im not a fan of a cage coon but what do you guys think. I think im just loseing my paitence cause i expect him to tree. He does it all but bark tree. Ive seen him smoke a track in a corn feild right to the tree were the coon was sitting and then just go back out in the corn feild and run another. I like this lil dog beleive once he does tree he will be the right kind. Any thing else i can try besides wait???? Lol

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Posted by Fisher13 on 07-09-2014 06:47 AM:

Knock one out, to him, hang it up, and lay him up for a few weeks, that's what I would do. Jmo

Posted by Will Walker on 07-09-2014 01:42 PM:

id stay as close to him as u can and try to get him tied at the tree.....i had one like this, actually bred about the same that would tree every coon in the woods but wouldnt stop. Also,when he locates check where hes at on the garmin,zoom in and im betting youll find coon in the trees hes locating on.....getting him to stop is gonna be the hard part. mine didnt work out but hopefully yours will.

Posted by lking on 07-09-2014 02:34 PM:

same

I had the same problem you did with my Sackett Jr. pup. Smoked a track, good locate, just wouldn't tree. What really seemed to do it for me was dragging then hanging a caged coon just out of reach at the tree. I let the dog tree on it for a good 5-10 minutes. Finally seemed to put 2 and 2 together. Next night, singled out, drives a great track and trees beautifully. She has done it that way since.

Not sure if it was the hanger or not but something finally clicked. She was just shy of 2 years old. Sometimes a little patience goes a long way.

Best of luck!

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Posted by JiM on 07-09-2014 03:46 PM:

Sounds like you will need to teach this pup how to tree and that means he is NOT the right kind.

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Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 04:28 PM:

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Originally posted by JiM
Sounds like you will need to teach this pup how to tree and that means he is NOT the right kind.

Jim, if this dog EVER starts treeing then he will be the right kind. Im so sick of these tree minded dogs it makes me sick. I dont care to set in the truck and listen to a race but when im walkin half miles to a slick treeing idiot then we got problems. This lil pup can get through the country now. Just aint been hunted a hole lot. Im gonna try the cage coon thing at night and see what happens.

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Posted by buck brush on 07-09-2014 04:33 PM:

hoss

it is a wipeout dog just give it some time the switch will go off and you will have a instant coon dog. some of them take a little longer to put it together but when it does you will be pleased.

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Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 04:49 PM:

Re: hoss

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Originally posted by buck brush
it is a wipeout dog just give it some time the switch will go off and you will have a instant coon dog. some of them take a little longer to put it together but when it does you will be pleased.

I know that but man my paitence level is very low. I started my first pup this past winter and i beleive he ruined me cause he just clicked right out the box at 6 months old. But hes also blowed up a couple times since then. This lil zeb pup has to make it. He is bred better than any dog ive owned. Hes got winners throwing winners on top and bottom. Every dog in his pedigree not only won big but the pups have won big as well. I know not every pup makes it but this one is coon crazy i hope its just the wipeout thing and he will click one of these nights. I know laying in the kennel aint a option around here cause we hunt here. I aint feeding one that i cant hunt. I hunt mine right out the mommas whomp. Lol

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 07-09-2014 05:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
Jim, if this dog EVER starts treeing then he will be the right kind. Im so sick of these tree minded dogs it makes me sick. I dont care to set in the truck and listen to a race but when im walkin half miles to a slick treeing idiot then we got problems.

See I am the total opposite. I cant' stand hunting a dog that won't stop. If a dog is treeing I can always correct it if trees are empty. A dog that is just running with never any end to the track makes me question what its doing. A dog that trees early and often tends to stay treed and makes me want to keep pushing it drop after drop. Listening to a dog bark around the woods makes me want to leave it in the woods.

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Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 05:45 PM:

Every body has their own prefeance when it comes to what they want. I myself
Havent had any luck makeing one accurate. Seems to me their born that way.ive seen dogs that were 2 yr old make 10 trees and never see a coon. I will not put up with that. Thems the ones ill leave in the woods. A buddy of mine has 2 litter mates both harry bawls and when they were 12-16 months old would drive you nutts. These dogs would run all night!!!! Now their around 18 months old and treeing them coons. I like a dog that can burn a track up!!! Always moveing foward and never back!!! And when they park their butts in yonder it aint no question Does he got him????? Pack the rifle boys theirs meat in the freezer tonight!!!!

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Posted by ibrobiinhood on 07-09-2014 05:48 PM:

I feel your "pain". I have a 9 month old that is just the opposite. He is one heck of a treeing machine. Actually puts some of his teachers to shame at the tree. They start um and he finishes. They are 97 to 200 yds away and he is just out of our lights. However, he beats them to the tree without opening up til he gets there.

I say this from experience....I am following my own words as well. I had a two yr old beagle that I took out hunting everyday since it was about 12 weeks old and it never did run a rabbit. On this particular trip I didn't plan on taking it back home. It went down in the briars, yipped and that ole rabbit came lickity split up across the railroad tracks. I wasn't even expecting it. I couldn't shoot nor did I and Snoopy was hot on its tracks. Rest assured, Snoopy got to taste his first rabbit he actually chased but it was my family that tasted the rest. He WAS the best rabbit dog a young boy could ask for.

I believe my 9 month old IS going to be what I desire and in time your hound will be as well.

Posted by ibrobiinhood on 07-09-2014 05:52 PM:

Might I also add that my Redbone is well bred. I've talked to the owner of the Stud dog to see if he knows how my pups littermates are doing. He said that mine is ahead of the game.

Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 06:01 PM:

A redbone??? You aint hunting with tony dominquez are you? Only good redbone was ole dan and lil ann!!!

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Posted by ibrobiinhood on 07-09-2014 06:03 PM:

I'm hunting the Redbone....LOL Got my worked cut out for me cuz my great friends hunt Black & Tans, Bluetick and Wa....Wa.. Geeze I just can't bring myself to type it.....WALKERS. Whew, there I got that out.

Posted by ibrobiinhood on 07-09-2014 06:06 PM:

My 14 year old son handled one of my friends Walkers in his first night hunt and got high scoring dog. His head is now 5 size normal and he lets me know every time we go out....dad, how many high scoring dogs have you owned? (I've been hunting since 1978 and never had one). It was never my intention of winning but rather enjoy the beauty of what God has created with friends under His created stars.

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-09-2014 06:21 PM:

I got a wipe out dog here now. Been waiting on it to tree. Its 20 months old. Anybody thinks they can get it to tree on a regular basis. I'll take 300 for her. Huge loud mouth. Smart as whip. They say they might just flip a switch and start. Im sick to death of it. I gotta have something that will tree some. If I wanna hear barking all night. I'll chase dang rabbits. Name of this sport is coon hunting. Mine will tree a caged coon. She will tree a hang up. I have video to prove it.

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Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 07:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I got a wipe out dog here now. Been waiting on it to tree. Its 20 months old. Anybody thinks they can get it to tree on a regular basis. I'll take 300 for her. Huge loud mouth. Smart as whip. They say they might just flip a switch and start. Im sick to death of it. I gotta have something that will tree some. If I wanna hear barking all night. I'll chase dang rabbits. Name of this sport is coon hunting. Mine will tree a caged coon. She will tree a hang up. I have video to prove it.

Mines the same way!!! Tree a hang up. But i beleive hes treeing it by sight. Im gonna keep mine. You never know might be the next world champion.

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Posted by hootowlman on 07-09-2014 07:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Ashbaugh
See I am the total opposite. I cant' stand hunting a dog that won't stop. If a dog is treeing I can always correct it if trees are empty. A dog that is just running with never any end to the track makes me question what its doing. A dog that trees early and often tends to stay treed and makes me want to keep pushing it drop after drop. Listening to a dog bark around the woods makes me want to leave it in the woods.

HAHA, I bet if you lived where I did you would change your mind real quick and in a hurry on the slick treeing idiot dogs. There isn't nothing like walking in weeds, briars, and tree laps over top your head up a straight up and down 2000 ft climb mountain that has 100 -200 ft drop off cliffs to make you change your mind on that. Where I'm at if they don't have the meat more times than not I got a 100 bucks says that you wouldn't make to many climbs to them before they went BYE BYE............ But back to the dog and not treeing. Take a caged coon get the dog fired up on it and turn it loose close to a tree so the dog can watch it climb the tree. So far it has work for my pup that was having the same issue with not wanting to tree. From what I have been told and have seen in the past when these tracked minded dogs finally put it together they are SUPER accurate.

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 07-09-2014 07:27 PM:

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Originally posted by hootowlman
HAHA, I bet if you lived where I did you would change your mind real quick and in a hurry on the slick treeing idiot dogs. There isn't nothing like walking in weeds, briars, and tree laps over top your head up a straight up and down 2000 ft climb mountain that has 100 -200 ft drop off cliffs to make you change your mind on that. Where I'm at if they don't have the meat more times than not I got a 100 bucks says that you wouldn't make to many climbs to them before they went BYE BYE............ But back to the dog and not treeing. Take a caged coon get the dog fired up on it and turn it loose close to a tree so the dog can watch it climb the tree. So far it has work for my pup that was having the same issue with not wanting to tree. From what I have been told and have seen in the past when these tracked minded dogs finally put it together they are SUPER accurate.

I see your point, but how do you get to the dog that just keeps running? Seems it would require the same hike.

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Posted by hootowlman on 07-09-2014 07:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
A redbone??? You aint hunting with tony dominquez are you? Only good redbone was ole dan and lil ann!!!

I don't know about that brother. My brother in law has got a redbone gyp that has been putting it on a few good dogs around here. I have seen a MANY of coon with this little gyp. I know its a rarity but she is going to make a dandy once she settles down. I have been helping him with training her since he is new to coon hunting and I almost got her broke off trash and tone broke. She would run a gnat fart when he first got her.

Posted by hootowlman on 07-09-2014 07:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Ashbaugh
I see your point, but how do you get to the dog that just keeps running? Seems it would require the same hike.

I been hunting mine with my other dog and when he trees she would always mill around and end up back at the tree. Then I would tie her back. Also she minds very well and comes when called most of the time . If not that's the reason I own a TRITRONICS. I always tone my dogs before shocking. 99% of the time it doesn't take more than 2 maybe 3 times of tone then shock for them to figure out when I hit the tone button what comes next. All of my dogs are tone broken every now and then I have to give the pup a little reminder... Also my pup wouldn't just keep going and going if not running she will check back after about 6-700 yards unless she is after something.

Posted by hootowlman on 07-09-2014 07:45 PM:

Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 09:20 PM:

I just turn mine loose. Ill pick him up some were. He has the whole world to roam when i cut him loose. No need to come back to me ill pick him up some were. I just dont and wont walk to a bunch of slick trees. My 14 month old made 11 trees last week and i looked at 11 coons. I expect to see a coon when i walk into one.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 07-09-2014 09:51 PM:

Re: dog wont tree!!!!

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
This is a 13 month old zeb 3 pup. Aint seen a ton of hunting till i got him and ive had him in the woods every night!!! All night some nights for probably 3 weeks. Burns a track like a track star but when it goes up he will just mingle around or go find another. If another dog trees he will be their with them when you get their. Ive thought he located a few times but not for sure. Ive tried every thing i know. Tie him back and dont let him have the meat!!! Hang ups he barked at a little. He will bark his hind end off at one when it hits the ground. Goes nuts. Im not a fan of a cage coon but what do you guys think. I think im just loseing my paitence cause i expect him to tree. He does it all but bark tree. Ive seen him smoke a track in a corn feild right to the tree were the coon was sitting and then just go back out in the corn feild and run another. I like this lil dog beleive once he does tree he will be the right kind. Any thing else i can try besides wait???? Lol

Sounds a whole lot like an experience I've had. Gave up on him at 14 months old. Trail it to the tree and go find another track to run! We gave up on him and gave him to a pleasure hunter in June. He was never turned loose again until the first night of season in November. He then treed and stayed the very first track he ran! He cost me a stack of franklins to get him back the next spring. He turned out to be one of the most balanced I ever owned and died at my place at 14 years of age.

He's still my measuring stick today, and why I don't get frustrated because they haven't seen a nite hunt at 18 months of age.

Posted by ole hoss on 07-09-2014 10:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson87
Sounds like your 14 month old is all you need.Myself I can stand a dog that ant looking to get treed.Ive never had a problem with slick treeing either.Nothing makes me hate a dog more than me seeing several coons sitting up and it can't get them treed.Thats when I want to give the dog away.Around here a heads up looking to get treed dog will tree 2x the coons and not take allnight to do it.Jmo

All thats fine when you cut them type of dogs a loose in ohio were the coons are like the stars in the sky. What happens when you turn them loose were theirs just 1 ole bore thats been down since dinner time? Been up and down 3 trees will that dog have the meat when he trees? If mine dont i hope he never trees.

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