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Posted by hilltopkennels on 06-25-2013 06:36 PM:

scoring question

this happened in a local club hunt not a licensed hunt had two dogs split from each other 50 feet apart on seperate very large trees thats limbs were tangled together in several places a coon was seen but was not clear on being in one tree or the other how would you score it?

Posted by COONDOG on 06-25-2013 06:39 PM:

Up to the cast/judge to determine if it will be scored as one or two trees. When that is determined, score it according to that decision.

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Posted by patches9452 on 06-25-2013 06:43 PM:

Re: scoring question

quote:
Originally posted by hilltopkennels
this happened in a local club hunt not a licensed hunt had two dogs split from each other 50 feet apart on seperate very large trees thats limbs were tangled together in several places a coon was seen but was not clear on being in one tree or the other how would you score it?

they both get plussed... considered one tree

Posted by Roustabout on 06-25-2013 07:46 PM:

Plus em up

Posted by pjeremie on 06-25-2013 08:39 PM:

Then who gets the 125 and who gets the 75?

Posted by Adam Wingler on 06-25-2013 08:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pjeremie
Then who gets the 125 and who gets the 75?

in the exact order they were called treed before you walked in

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 06-25-2013 08:45 PM:

Dog that was called treed first by handler 125 pts.
Dog that was called treed second by handler gets 75 pts.

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Posted by pjeremie on 06-25-2013 08:53 PM:

This makes no sense one of the dogs has to be slick. If there is one coon and dogs are treed on two trees I say someone is minus.

Posted by Roustabout on 06-25-2013 09:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pjeremie
This makes no sense one of the dogs has to be slick. If there is one coon and dogs are treed on two trees I say someone is minus.

There is no way in the world you could minus either tree with coon being seen

Posted by runnin rebels on 06-25-2013 09:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Roustabout
There is no way in the world you could minus either tree with coon being seen

yes, I am sure a tree with a coon has never ever been minused in a hunt

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Posted by Roustabout on 06-25-2013 09:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by runnin rebels
yes, I am sure a tree with a coon has never ever been minused in a hunt

I'm sure some ******* somewhere has minused a tree with a coon in it, but with a coon being seen and no way to tell which tree is took to get there, plz tell me how you could minus it?

Posted by groworg1 on 06-25-2013 09:28 PM:

that's a easy one two hour maniac !

Posted by Ky Show Girl on 06-25-2013 10:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by groworg1
that's a easy one two hour maniac !

lol

Posted by okie_coonhunter on 06-25-2013 11:00 PM:

I have always tried to determine if its split or same tree before scoring, in these circumstances. Cast majority or non hunting judges call!!

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Posted by JiM on 06-25-2013 11:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Roustabout
There is no way in the world you could minus either tree with coon being seen

Sure you can. It's just this simple.

Judge cards each dog for 125 tree points as he should because they are obviously split. .
He walks in, orders dogs handled, sees dogs split 50 feet apart. Judge announces the two trees will be scored as separate trees because they are obviously two completely different trees. The other cast cast members say nothing, nobody questions that decision. Shine time is started on one tree and the trees are scored in order. One has a coon, one doesn't. Plus one, minus the other. End of story.

Yeah, they all notice the two trees run together to make one big tree but not until after scoring begins and at that point, it is too late to change anything. Bad break for one guy, good break for the other and everyone is man enough to take for what it is and move on.

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Posted by josh on 06-26-2013 12:05 AM:

If Im judging and the dogs are on different trees but they probably look like they touch, I ask how the handlers want to score it....
Most of the time, they want the split....
Most of the time, it turns out to be the wrong choice for one of the dogs.

It kind of elimintes any hard feelings about how the tree was scored.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 06-26-2013 12:24 AM:

It does not matter if they are 60 feet apart and my dog is running back and forth between em. If they touch. In Ukc they are scored as one and you can't even minus mine.

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Posted by JiM on 06-26-2013 12:48 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
It does not matter if they are 60 feet apart and my dog is running back and forth between em. If they touch. In Ukc they are scored as one and you can't even minus mine.

That's not exactly they way that one went. If they are 60 feet apart AND they are scored as one tree, then yes, UKC says your dog can cover both trees much as I think that is just wrong. However, if those two same trees are being scored as separate trees, then a dog covering both is certainly getting minused. But the point is that UKC cannot say if the trees are scored as one tree or two. That is a judges decision.

Posted by groworg1 on 06-26-2013 01:22 AM:

a honest judge can see there touching no matter how far apart they are and the judge that's a 2 hour maniac calls it to his benefit every time and waits to see if he is out voted !

Posted by patches9452 on 06-26-2013 04:16 AM:

in this case both would have to be plus... the coon was in the tangle of the 2 trees and the judge didn't even know for sure which tree it was in

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 06-26-2013 12:14 PM:

It doesn't matter if you can tell which tree the coon is in. If the judge makes the decision to score as one tree and it is not questioned at the time the decision is made then it is scored as one tree. Coon tapped one tree and climbed another. I have seen trees scored as one and there be a coon plainly in both trees. I have judged and made the call to score as one tree and this happen. As soon as two coons are seen plainly in separate trees the handler taking second tree wants 125. Sorry, you didn't question at time of call and shine time was started and is now over, your to late.

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Posted by patches9452 on 06-26-2013 12:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
It doesn't matter if you can tell which tree the coon is in. If the judge makes the decision to score as one tree and it is not questioned at the time the decision is made then it is scored as one tree. Coon tapped one tree and climbed another. I have seen trees scored as one and there be a coon plainly in both trees. I have judged and made the call to score as one tree and this happen. As soon as two coons are seen plainly in separate trees the handler taking second tree wants 125. Sorry, you didn't question at time of call and shine time was started and is now over, your to late.

so you are telling me a judge cannot make a mistake and then fix it... I do think when you make a mistake it is ok to right that wrong... rules are rules even to a non hunting judge

Posted by WEBBER on 06-26-2013 01:53 PM:

In this case it seems that the coon is not clearly in one tree or the other, eventhough it could be scored as one. The coon may be sitting in a locations where he's one at least one limb from tree #1 and also on a limb from tree #2. Whether you score it as 1 tree or 2, the coon is seen in both trees. They both get plus ponits regardless. The call is whether one gets 125 & 75 OR they split at 125 each.
If I'm the second dog, I want them split. Once we score the 1st plus, we'll score mine. Hey look at that, the coon moved to my dogs tree!!!!!

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Posted by JiM on 06-26-2013 02:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
so you are telling me a judge cannot make a mistake and then fix it... I do think when you make a mistake it is ok to right that wrong... rules are rules even to a non hunting judge

Steve, I don't think this situation is about a judge correcting a mistake.
Anytime you allow this decision ( scoring as one tree or separate trees) to be made AFTER shining starts, you open the door to that decision being made based on how it effects the scoring of individual dogs. To me, scoring a tree based on who it helps or hurts is far worse than the possibility that someone might get a bad break that is discovered AFTER the process has properly been followed.

Posted by hilltopkennels on 06-26-2013 02:16 PM:

i didnt think 1 coon could be scored more than once

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