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Posted by BWSupplies on 05-27-2012 10:27 PM:

Native, Diamond Ea, and Sportmix 26/18.. The Test.

I'm running a test.. I've had 1 dog on Native for some time now and the rest on Sportmix 26/18. I bought a bag of Diamond EA today to try on 1 dog so........,,,,,

1- On Native
1- On Diamond EA
3- On Sportmix 26/18 With Super Fuel
2- on Sportmix 26/18.

I'm lookin for muscle tone change, water dependency, stamina and over heating.

I've never used Diamond EA but really like the results of the Native and Sportmix. The Super Fuel works very good especially on pups that need a little extra.. Lets see how it works out over the next few months with the hot weather approachin..

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Posted by eric henry on 05-28-2012 12:01 AM:

native all the way.

Posted by POTOMAC on 05-28-2012 12:01 AM:

Well I didn't steer you wrong on the super fuel and I feel the same about dea just don't give them much cause it will give them loose stools,you will be surprised at how little ea it will take to maintain your dogs this time of year and that's hunting them aswell!!!!

Posted by J.R on 05-28-2012 12:04 AM:

take everything with corn out of your test

Posted by POTOMAC on 05-28-2012 12:05 AM:

I feed the native level 4 and the dogs looked as good as the dea but my dogs didn't like it as much as they do the dea and I couldn't get the native anymore and the last 2 years dea has been my food of choice and until I see different I will stay with it!!!! Recall and all I'm sure other companies have had problems and never said a word about it jmo!!

Posted by Kody on 05-28-2012 01:45 AM:

Dea

I have tried this two diff times usually feed the diamond premium and both times my dogs stools were very light colored? Like yellow white in color? Not sure what to think and they didn seem to be huntin as well have fed native that was very good feed anybody else seen this with the DEA?

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Posted by BWSupplies on 05-28-2012 01:47 AM:

The Native is good feed but the DEA is as good and cheaper. One of the reasons for the test is to also see how the Native and DEA compete with each other. I stock Native III now at the store but if it has to be sold at MSRP I need to find something as good or better that is cost effective..

Potomac..The Super Fuel along with the Go Dog is a awesome combination !!

Posted by BWSupplies on 05-28-2012 01:57 AM:

Re: Dea

quote:
Originally posted by Kody
I have tried this two diff times usually feed the diamond premium and both times my dogs stools were very light colored? Like yellow white in color? Not sure what to think and they didn seem to be huntin as well have fed native that was very good feed anybody else seen this with the DEA?

Rex has been on Native since January 1 and I noticed over the last few weeks that his is like that, I believe its the warmer weather.

Posted by GA DAWG on 05-28-2012 11:38 AM:

Natural feeds = LMAO!!! Yall are falling for the money making to looks like. The naturals make em tree more coon? Live longer? What? Id like to know from hunters not some internet article!! Naturals ain't been out but a few yrs. What everybody do before that? LoL.... Let us know how your study goes Bwsupplies. I bet the corn food hangs right there with the others

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Posted by CSnowgren on 05-28-2012 02:06 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Natural feeds = LMAO!!! Yall are falling for the money making to looks like. The naturals make em tree more coon? Live longer? What? Id like to know from hunters not some internet article!! Naturals ain't been out but a few yrs. What everybody do before that? LoL.... Let us know how your study goes Bwsupplies. I bet the corn food hangs right there with the others

True "natural" feed will help the dog cool quicker. When you carb load a dog, they retain much more water in their muscles. I guess the best way to explain it is to take a cup of water and a pot of water, heat to boiling and set aside. Watch which one cools quicker. This is a known, proven fact and will not change with some internet article. The carb loaded hound may still perform, but not with the ease or speed that he could if he wasn't loaded down with excess water. To the unobservant, one would never know. They would just see ole' Fido putting one foot in front of the other and not realize what is going on. In a comp hunt, I can usually tell who is on a cheap feed as the hunt goes on. Carbs ain't a bad thing but too much and they can get you into a jam.

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 05-28-2012 02:26 PM:

Dogs don't naturally eat corn , corn is chicken feed along with wheat and most of what is in cheap feeds ....

If you can't afford anything but the cheap stuff , just say so and really that's fine because they are just dogs after all .. the world has bigger problems than to worry about what a coondog is eating.

But , to argue with solid nutrition and the experience of top notch dogmen that the cheap stuff is just as good .... well , it's not even a real argument that would happen outside your own bubble.

Posted by Cleo on 05-28-2012 02:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BWSupplies
The Native is good feed but the DEA is as good and cheaper. One of the reasons for the test is to also see how the Native and DEA compete with each other. I stock Native III now at the store but if it has to be sold at MSRP I need to find something as good or better that is cost effective..

Potomac..The Super Fuel along with the Go Dog is a awesome combination !!

Amen on the Native. I learned the hard (expensive) way.

Are you feeding Super Fuel to pups?

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Posted by Lee Stocking on 05-28-2012 02:49 PM:

Im currently on Native. Stacking Native and DEA together the only difference you will see is a small kcal difference and Native has more.
Heres the deal on feeding these type feeds. If you are hunting at least 5 nights a week the kcals in Native and DEA are needed to keep the hound in shape and weight on. If your hunting this hard the other feeds wont keep the hound up. My other quality feed is Pro Plan corn or not that feed works.
Sportsmix only holds up hunting a few nights a week, I was very displeased in its quality but they have very good sales tactics and alot of people are feeding it.
I remember when Black Gold came out and back then it was awsome feed. I dont know how it stacks today. Theres my feed spill.

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 05-28-2012 02:53 PM:

ProPlan is good ... something about that corn gluten packs a punch.

I've just run through a bag or the top level of Enhance ... can't complain , stools are a little darker and tighter than on EA .

I will probably go back to EA because it's as good as any but more economical for me ... the Enhance , Taste of the Wild and ProPlan are a good bit higher without the results being proportionate to the extra price.

The main thing about food for me is ... does it swell up in water ? If so , that's what will happen inside the dog and have them hurting.

Do they digest enough that their stools are dark and small ? I aint spending good money just to wash it out a few hours later .

Do my dogs shake their head or does their coat suffer on it ?

Posted by BWSupplies on 05-28-2012 03:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cleo
Amen on the Native. I learned the hard (expensive) way.

Are you feeding Super Fuel to pups?

I have a 5 month old pup that gets it once a day. I can tell a difference in him over the last few week.

I used BlackGold for a long time till the feed went bad, they say the problem is corrected but I haven't used any. After BG I switched to Sportmix 26/18 and I really like it, Its a very good feed and 3 cups a day holds my dogs up very well when hunting hard. I started the Super Fuel when Potomac told me how it could help with over heating and water dependency, that really helped. The Native is a good feed and I have one dog currently on it But another I tried it on it didn't work to well. After a solid month of hunting every night the dog lost about 10 pounds and was really run down so I switched him back to Sportmix.
I'm tryin the DEA on a senior that is very sensitive to hot weather. This dog has always eaten 26/18 Pride and I believe that's been his trouble. Since I've had him he has had Sportmix but was curious how the DEA would help or hurt, that's why the test.

Posted by umbie on 05-28-2012 03:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Natural feeds = LMAO!!! Yall are falling for the money making to looks like. The naturals make em tree more coon? Live longer? What? Id like to know from hunters not some internet article!! Naturals ain't been out but a few yrs. What everybody do before that? LoL.... Let us know how your study goes Bwsupplies. I bet the corn food hangs right there with the others

My dog is alergic to corn . He loses hair and has hot spots if he eats corn so the naturals are all he can eat to stay at his best.

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Posted by BWSupplies on 05-28-2012 03:50 PM:

quote:
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My dog is alergic to corn . He loses hair and has hot spots if he eats corn so the naturals are all he can eat to stay at his best.

I believe where the corn comes from has a lot to do with dog allergies..... Use to you never heard of a corn allergy BUT all the corn used came from the USA not foreign country's. Their is only a few dog food manufactures that use Iowa corn.
Corn that is shipped in has to be treated in a preservative to make to journey by boat here. What ever they use can't be to go on your dog or you.. Just imagine how much foreign corn is used for animal and human consumption daily.....

Posted by Hunting24/7 on 05-28-2012 03:57 PM:

im feedin the sportmix 24/20 and i love it

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Posted by GA DAWG on 05-28-2012 04:26 PM:

In all seriousness. Im thinking hard on switching. I have saw it make a difference in heat during the summer and how they don't seem to get as hot! The feeding less part. I ain't saw that. Yall remember back in the mid 90s. The yellow bags of diamond maintenance? In those days. I was hunting 6 nights a week. Most every week. My dogs stayed in good shape. Now in the 2000s. I was a black gold feeder. Hunting dropped off to 4 or so nights. Dogs could go and go and go. Then it went to pot. Now Im feeding hunters special it ain't the cheapest but is ranked right down there with em. If a dog is kept in pretty good shape. It ain't gonna get to bad hot. I run mine on the 4 wheeler. I don't think any kind of foods gonna help one that don't get out none. They still gonna get hot regardless. I don't even know how much Im feeding but 1 red solo cup a day is it. I figure that's about 3 cups. Both hounds are about 55lbs. Not real muscled up though. Yall say these naturals will help on that?

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 05-28-2012 04:28 PM:

I ran a simular test here at the kennels some 12-18 months ago. Used about everything under sun in terms of feed you can buy around here, inside a price range, Sportmix held up fairly well, however to maintain the dogs looks, one had to rotate between the 26-18 and 24-20 mixes. I like the feed, but it wasn't what we wanted. switched to the black gold, and saw very little if any difference in the 26-18 miixes. Showtime was way to much "clean-up" involved in feeding it. Them dogs could shoot through a mesh screen fence and never hit wire. Sunshine, believe it or not was good feed, but the place around here stopped carrying it.

The winner of the test by far was Purina ProPlan Performance. Dogs stay muscled up, lean and ready for whatever the hunt brings them. From observation, they appear to feel better on this feed. Yes it is more pricy than the rest of the above, although not that much more than the black gold, but worth it in terms of performance. I noticed and increase in stamina when I switched to performance. I also ran the white sheet test. put some pellets on a white cloth and see which one leaves the most grease after allowing to sit for a day or two. It will not be the Purina.

Long story shorten, Purina performance is just that. Performance enhancing fuel for your dog. To be truthful, i'd rather feed regular dog chow than a lot of other things i have tried.Nope, lesson is learned folks. If Purina is on the bag, the quality is inside.

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Posted by rowdyhound on 05-28-2012 04:40 PM:

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im feedin the sportmix 24/20 and i love it

Started feeding this because it is easy to get around here and my allergy dog can eat it. I was using ProPlan Performance, but it got harder and harder to find. I LOVE the SportMix Black bag. Coats look great, dogs have plenty of energy, granted we don't hunt real hard, but I do work these dogs everyday and they hold up really well. They are lean and muscled up. I will be raising a litter of pups and haven't made up my mind if I'm gonna try the Sportmix pup food or just fall back on the PuppyChow???

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Posted by Cleo on 05-28-2012 04:51 PM:

Purina PRP PLAN Puppy. Not puppy chow.

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 05-28-2012 04:58 PM:

I have always mixed eggs , meat and vitamins in my feed ... and I have started feeding every other day most of the time ... I think dogs systems aren't meant to be able to digest anything fully in a day ... at first they passed some real scary looking stuff that was hung up ... but now are passing fine and I think at least in the summer it is better , maybe not in the winter or for pups.

Posted by Hunting24/7 on 05-28-2012 05:22 PM:

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Originally posted by rowdyhound
Started feeding this because it is easy to get around here and my allergy dog can eat it. I was using ProPlan Performance, but it got harder and harder to find. I LOVE the SportMix Black bag. Coats look great, dogs have plenty of energy, granted we don't hunt real hard, but I do work these dogs everyday and they hold up really well. They are lean and muscled up. I will be raising a litter of pups and haven't made up my mind if I'm gonna try the Sportmix pup food or just fall back on the PuppyChow???

i like it and my dogs get hunted 2 to 5 nights a week every week

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Posted by CSnowgren on 05-28-2012 05:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
In all seriousness. Im thinking hard on switching. I have saw it make a difference in heat during the summer and how they don't seem to get as hot! The feeding less part. I ain't saw that. Yall remember back in the mid 90s. The yellow bags of diamond maintenance? In those days. I was hunting 6 nights a week. Most every week. My dogs stayed in good shape. Now in the 2000s. I was a black gold feeder. Hunting dropped off to 4 or so nights. Dogs could go and go and go. Then it went to pot. Now Im feeding hunters special it ain't the cheapest but is ranked right down there with em. If a dog is kept in pretty good shape. It ain't gonna get to bad hot. I run mine on the 4 wheeler. I don't think any kind of foods gonna help one that don't get out none. They still gonna get hot regardless. I don't even know how much Im feeding but 1 red solo cup a day is it. I figure that's about 3 cups. Both hounds are about 55lbs. Not real muscled up though. Yall say these naturals will help on that?

You are exactly right, they will all get hot. The difference is who can get cooler quicker to get back to kickin azz. Cheap feeds loaded with carbs won't help as they will have way too much water retention. Excess water also makes their muscles much "fuller" to give the appearance of being muscled up. I don't want them muscled up, this ain't a weight lifting contest. It is a test of endurance and a repeated cycle of intense work/less intense work until I decide to come home or the hunt is over. I want them getting heated up and then cooling down between drops so they can charge out of the gate again near %100. Carb loaded dogs get hot and stay hot. They may keep hunting, but not to the level that they could. Thats why I said to the observing eye, you can tell who feeds crap, they start coming apart towards the end of the hunt. Keep cutting lose, don't give them a chance to change spots so their dogs can cool down! lol

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