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I think this is a good question to ask and clarify.

4 dog cast. Dogs A, B, and C are all struck. Dogs A and B are treed. Go into the tree shine then pull away and dog C is declared treed before dogs A and B are re-casted. Can A and B cast their dogs? Keep in mind Dog D is still not struck in.

I would think yes because if you couldn't recast into a treed dog then you could potentially get into a situation where a dog could tree and then the handler of this dog would have to lead his dog from tree to tree all night if the other dogs keep getting treed individually and another dog is out not opening.

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Absolutely. All dogs in cast are not treed, so A and B can exercise the option of recasting and take the consequences of that, good or bad.

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if i was sitting at 225+ you guys could take all the time
you needed around here

NO!

There is not a dog out trailing! YOU HAVE TO RECAST YOUR DOGS TO A TRAILING DOG!

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Charter, you answer is correct by the wording of the rule but Allen G came on here sometime back and stated that the official interpretation is that any dog off leash is a "trailing" dog, struck or not. So yes, they can recast to dog D.

You can recast as long as all dogs on the scorecard are not declared treed. They do not have to be struck in according to T.K. or A.G., can't remember which clarified it.

JIM types faster than me. LOL

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Charterpines is correct. If dog c Was already treed then they would have to wait for dog d to open.

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Well since dog C is treeing you can assume that dog is breaking the 8. If not, start the 2. If the two catches dog C, you can cast cause no dogs are treed. The 8 minute rule doesn't come in as long as a dog is declared treed.

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Originally posted by barryg35
Charterpines is correct. If dog c Was already treed then they would have to wait for dog d to open.

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Originally posted by JiM
Charter, you answer is correct by the wording of the rule but Allen G came on here sometime back and stated that the official interpretation is that any dog off leash is a "trailing" dog, struck or not. So yes, they can recast to dog D.

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dog c is treeing strike pts are closed take all the time you need.

JIM IS CORRECT! We had this discussion with Allen last year when the new rules were announced and I personally called him and questioned the word "trailing". I was told that it was misworded in the rule that the intention of the rule was that as long as one dog was out competing for strike then you could turn loose reguardless of whether or not it was actually "trailing".

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I was in a cast several weeks ago. All 3 dogs but mine were struck then 2 of the dogs treed. Mine struck with a line under it and I treed mine left handed, start walking into the trees one dog that was treed was running around and came into mine other handler went to handle his dog. Found my coon and I said I wanted to cut my dog loose again. They said no you can't do that I told them I had the option too they said I was arguing and scratched me LOL

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Originally posted by Clay Lautzenhiser
JIM IS CORRECT! We had this discussion with Allen last year when the new rules were announced and I personally called him and questioned the word "trailing". I was told that it was misworded in the rule that the intention of the rule was that as long as one dog was out competing for strike then you could turn loose reguardless of whether or not it was actually "trailing".

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Originally posted by Robert Johnson
i believe both charterpines and yourself may be mistaken here. if a dog is off the leash, he is out on trail, struck or not. if the handlers want to recast, they can, that is their option. they do not have to. read rule 11. it says it pretty clearly to me. Dog D is out on trail, but not opening, and dog C is treed. with D out on trail, but not opening, handlers of A and B have the option to recast. they do not have to until they hear D open, then there is no option, they have to.

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Yes, the handlers of both A and B have the option to recast because there's one dog declared treed but one other dog out not declared treed. Whether dog D is declared struck or not is irrelevent as suggested by several. Doesn't matter.

i like those me to dogs right about now how much time left
on the tree.lol

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Originally posted by blueticking: it
i like those me to dogs right about now how much time left
on the tree.lol

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If I'm reading this right than they were correct.If you treed your dog after they had treed then you scored your tree out of order and can't turn loose until the first tree is scored.You should of scored there tree first,then yours.JMO.

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Originally posted by Clay Lautzenhiser
It has nothing to do with "me too dogs" it has to do with RULES! The dogs that are being turned loose may go do their own things and never get with the dog that is treed already and if they do their strike won't count anyway. So what does that have to do with "me too"?

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Originally posted by stillwater farm
If I'm reading this right than they were correct.If you treed your dog after they had treed then you scored your tree out of order and can't turn loose until the first tree is scored.You should of scored there tree first,then yours.JMO.

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jmo

why did they even change this rule seem's to me it is a head ache

The reason they changed it is so a quick treedog doesn't have to spend the night being led from tree to tree while they score the not-so-quick treedogs. As for the me-too thing, most times the trees are closed by the time you recast so if your dog covers, it prolly gets nothing. On the other hand, if you train for this rule and have a dog that will ignored that other dog treed in there and go tree it's own, you could score alot more points with the new rule. But you have to train for the rule and they may be a concept that is over the head of some.

jealous tree dogs,how do you figure jim c holds the strike pts.
2 trees scored