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What is a coon dog?

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I been reading ads today on dogs for sale or people looking for a dog. I realize my definition may be different than others.

What’s your definition?

My definition ( in nut shell) is a dog that goes hunting under any circumstances, trees any style of coon, stays treed till I get there and does it consistently drop after drop, Night after night. A dog one doesn’t have to make excuses for. Looks and mouth just an added bonus

Second question, can you really expect this out of a $250-$1000 dog if it isn’t dead old?

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Only hunted with 4 what I call coo dogs in my life that was dogs that I hunted with multiple times. That being said I might of hunted with a few more but only hunted with them once but they looked good that night.


I don't know if you could buy one like you are talking about that was 4 yrs old for less than $5,000.


Tar

It sounds like you are looking for an exceptional coon dog. Coon dogs range from bad up to exceptional. There are all kinds of coon dogs in between. That is why the prices start at $500 and go to $50,000. Do you really expect a $500 coon dog to be as good as a $50,000 coon dog.

I know one sold for $50,000 down here new owner entered him in his first hunt he got scratched for a possum ........ And he was retired to valuable to hunt lol.



Tar

Good possum dogs are expensive.

I agree with high ridge, a coon dog to me is a dog that simply trees coons turnout after turnout. The rest of it is just flash, that's where the real money comes into play. Since I'm not a comp hunter I really don't care how it ends up under the coon, but I'd prefer it not walk me to death.

But anything over 2,000 grand to me is mind boggling. They are just dogs, my luck I'd turn that high dollar dog out and he'd find the nearest road. I've seen it happen guy paid big money turned out a week later and a train got him. I like solid investments, to much risk with a hunting dog. But then again I've probably haven't ever seen a high caliber dog that I would want to take a loan out for.

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Good possum dogs are expensive.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
It sounds like you are looking for an exceptional coon dog. Coon dogs range from bad up to exceptional. There are all kinds of coon dogs in between. That is why the prices start at $500 and go to $50,000. Do you really expect a $500 coon dog to be as good as a $50,000 coon dog.

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Again you get what you pay for IMO. There's some big differences in dogs that are 500 and 5000. The type you mentioned in your first post High Ridge is not a $500 dog. For $500 the better do 3 things eat, sleep and poop, optional for treeing any game. But the $5000 dog better do as you described any night and all night. But there's some twists to this equation to add in. Which are what needs the dog is that's for sale. For an "off colored" dog you'll pay more money for in comparison to a walker of equal quality. And it could be as much as 3x as much. Now I'm not saying you won't find a diamond in the rough somewhere. But chances are that the $500 dog is a cull and the owner can't do the right thing.

Re: What is a coon dog?

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Originally posted by high ridge
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I been reading ads today on dogs for sale or people looking for a dog. I realize my definition may be different than others.

What’s your definition?

My definition ( in nut shell) is a dog that goes hunting under any circumstances, trees any style of coon, stays treed till I get there and does it consistently drop after drop, Night after night. A dog one doesn’t have to make excuses for. Looks and mouth just an added bonus

Second question, can you really expect this out of a $250-$1000 dog if it isn’t dead old?

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Am I the only person in the world that thinks a 500 dollar hound should do more than" eat, sleep,and poop" I don't expect a world beater but I expect more than that!!

DIFFERENT STROKES DIFFERENT FOLKS

If you buy a $500 dollar dog that has been advertised that it trees its own coon, it better tree its own coon. That's all some people look for, is a dog that can tree a coon.

On the other hand there are people that expect a dog to tree coon 80+ % of the time they're unsnapped, and get treed every time. Those folks invest, cull, do whatever they have to in order to get what they desire. Most of these people ask $500 for their pup price or more. Especially if they're paying their pups up in performance and $$ programs.

If you want a dog that is doing something for $500 that's fine, but I personally wouldn't trust very many 18 month old dogs that show
true promise that someone would be willing to sell for $500. Buddy deals, sure. Joe Blow, a no go.

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Originally posted by 2ol2hunt
Am I the only person in the world that thinks a 500 dollar hound should do more than" eat, sleep,and poop" I don't expect a world beater but I expect more than that!!

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A coon dog trees racoon when coon are in the area being hunted. Some hounds are slow and some are quick about treeing coon but both are considered a coondog. There's many coon dogs that tree coon consistently that I wouldn't enjoy hunting. The value of a coondog is determined by a seller and a buyer willing to pay that amount.

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Originally posted by 2ol2hunt
Am I the only person in the world that thinks a 500 dollar hound should do more than" eat, sleep,and poop" I don't expect a world beater but I expect more than that!!

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20 different guys will have 20 different definitions. Seriously, have you ever listened to someone else on your cast describe your hunt at the club? It most often isn't the same hunt I just got back from. If we can't have the same opinion about a 60 or 120 minute cast, how are we ever going to agree on anything?

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I was on 2 casts last weekend. Everyone on the casts said the same thing. No one really disagreed on what the dogs looked like. But we still had fun. But I do know what you're saying. Seems like everyone has a different definition of a coon dog.

if you asked 100 handlers you would get 100 different answers.

the term coondog can be used as loosely or earned as stringently as each handlers standards... and ive learned there isnt much that will start a fight faster than talking opinions on another hunters dog. the way i look at it is- i feed it and take care of it. i know what i like to see in a dog and i know what im willing to work with and what im willing to over look. its like picking out a significant other.... you cant tell someone else a thing about the person theyre dating... its not going to do you a bit of good and just going to cause you grief... you have to let them work it out for themselves... good or bad.

i would say as a general rule for myself- a "coondog" will tree coons when other dogs cant. no matter the variables- weather, alone/together, lots of coon/no coon, ect.

ive seen a good ol $500 country coondog make a $5000+ comp hunt dog look like a idiot... ive seen a $5k dog make you want to run to the bank and pull out a loan and sell your very soul to the devil to get your hands on him...

my advise- hunt with people that have a rep for packing good dogs- and not because they told you so, but because the guy hes hunting against did... learn what you like in a dog and HUNT WITH THEM BEFORE YOU BUY

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Coondog?

(1) To me a coondog should consistently get struck (coon only), get treed, have the meat, repeat!

(2) After that, we can talk about speed and style.

(3) Without that, we're not talking about a coondog at all.

You know you got a coondog when it can go right on by dogs treeing slick and have the meat . That's when you got a coondog !!!!

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A tree dog will get struck and get treed. A coondog must be able to run a track.

I hear people talk about an."old fashioned" coondog. What is the difference between an "old fashioned" coondog and a "modern" one?

IMO a $500 dollar dog shouldn't be a world beater. Depending on what you're buying that's a pup price.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I hear people talk about an."old fashioned" coondog. What is the difference between an "old fashioned" coondog and a "modern" one?

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Exceptional Coondogs

I've spent 45 years looking for exceptional coon dogs and one common indicator is that exceptional ones get badmouthed the same as the sorriest dog walking does. Coon hunters are a jealous group that tend to beat the dogs that they cant beat in the woods with their mouths. So if you are looking for that exceptional dog and want to save time go hunt with the ones being criticized. The dogs not being criticized are probably just nice dogs and not exceptional.

My definition of an exceptional dog is a first strike and first tree dog that trees the most coon in the least amount of time, in the least amount of real estate. And to do that they must be highly intelligent. They operate like a machine. When they strike you never question if they will tree it. It is only a matter of where!

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