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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-11-2016 05:36 PM:

Top Dog.....Big Winner

Just because a dog is a "Big Winner" is he/she a "Top Dog"? I mean does a "Top Dog" have to be a "Big Winner"? Or are all "Big Winners", neccesarily "Top Dogs"?

Posted by Tony Dominguez on 04-11-2016 05:39 PM:

What do you consider a top dog or a big winner?

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-11-2016 05:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
What do you consider a top dog or a big winner?

Oh my goodness, TMack, I realize that you are still getting started, but if you don't know by now I doubt that I can explain it to you. Melt is what I would consider a "Top Dog" and a "Big Winner".

Posted by ahallada on 04-11-2016 09:46 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, TMack, I realize that you are still getting started, but if you don't know by now I doubt that I can explain it to you. Melt is what I would consider a "Top Dog" and a "Big Winner".

Who is Melt?

Shouldn't a Top Dog be a dog that everyone knows? Or does it matter if anyone knows the dog in order to be a Top Dog?

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Posted by Billy Beckham on 04-11-2016 11:44 PM:

Here we go again!

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Posted by blairforce1 on 04-12-2016 02:23 AM:

😎

Isnt it self explanatory.
Top dog= finishes on top a lot.
Big Winner = has won a big hunt

Big winning Top Dog= finishes on top of big "hunts"

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Posted by John B.Dalton on 04-12-2016 03:30 AM:

What's considered a big hunt one with a lot of dogs where you need a high score or a smaller hunt where you have to recast and win a late round against other winners

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Posted by Johnny Ray on 04-12-2016 03:54 AM:

Top Dog

"Top Dogs"usually don't make many mistakes, like falling for Richard's traps.

Posted by ahallada on 04-12-2016 08:42 AM:

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Originally posted by John B.Dalton
What's considered a big hunt one with a lot of dogs where you need a high score or a smaller hunt where you have to recast and win a late round against other winners

That's a good point John. Let's see now we would have a Consistent Top Dog vs a Big Hunt Top Dog. 😂😂😂😂

Posted by John B.Dalton on 04-12-2016 02:05 PM:

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Originally posted by ahallada
That's a good point John. Let's see now we would have a Consistent Top Dog vs a Big Hunt Top Dog. 😂😂😂😂

Doc I learned a long time ago a bully can win a lot of fights in his back yard when he picks and chooses who he wants to whoop but to be a major bully go on out thru the country and beat them twice a night then you become a major bully

...Not much different with dogs..Hope you find a good partner on G-man also!!

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Posted by sox12 on 04-13-2016 09:58 PM:

I would like to find a top dog,but I got to find out what to consider what they are first so I know what to look for,what I consider a top hound someone might think its a piece of ****

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Posted by JShelton on 04-14-2016 01:03 AM:

I have seen a bunch of so called top dogs that I didnt like. But they didnt like my dog either. Top dog = eye of the beholder more times than not

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Posted by ahallada on 04-14-2016 06:09 AM:

Would this be considered a Top Dog? George says he thinks so.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-14-2016 02:20 PM:

Doc, I guess that you are right. How can a dog be a Top Dog if no one knows who they are? And how does a dog get "recognized". A Top Dog is not in the eyes of the beholder. A true Top Dog has to be recognized by a majority of the people involved in the sport. If you are the only one that thinks that your dog is the best, then he isn't a "Top Dog". And how does a dog get recognized...not by losing. So, I guess that a Top Dog has to be a Big Winner. You could have the best dog in the world but if no one knows who he/she is then how can he/she be a Top Dog? And how do you know if you have a Top Dog unless you put him/her in competition against the other Top Dogs? And beating all of the dogs in your neighborhood just means that you have the Top Dog in your neighborhood.
Also, you can never be the one to judge whether you have a Top Dog or not. By definition, a Top Dog has to be recognized as such by everyone else.

Posted by JShelton on 04-14-2016 05:32 PM:

I knew you had the answer. You missed my point by the eye of the beholder a little bit. No matter what you win and how many hunys you win mosy of the time very few people think that dog is a true top dog. I hunted with a world hunt winner from a different registry a couple times. I thought he would be a top dog he sure did tree a bunch but only seen one coon all night. But it was summertime and the trees were leafy so I probably couldnt find them. I also hunted with a chick one time I cant remember her name exactly she was a grand nite. Im sure you thought she was a top dog. She ran a track and when this old single registered english dog came treed on the hill across from her sje ran a track to her tree just hard as she could. When we got there there was three coons in that tree. But im sure there was only two and that other female ran that track so hard her coon climbed with the other two. She may have just had a bad night I dont know for sure. I wish I could remember her name but I just cant put my Foot on it lol

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Posted by mmarshall on 04-14-2016 06:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Doc, I guess that you are right. How can a dog be a Top Dog if no one knows who they are? And how does a dog get "recognized". A Top Dog is not in the eyes of the beholder. A true Top Dog has to be recognized by a majority of the people involved in the sport. If you are the only one that thinks that your dog is the best, then he isn't a "Top Dog". And how does a dog get recognized...not by losing. So, I guess that a Top Dog has to be a Big Winner. You could have the best dog in the world but if no one knows who he/she is then how can he/she be a Top Dog? And how do you know if you have a Top Dog unless you put him/her in competition against the other Top Dogs? And beating all of the dogs in your neighborhood just means that you have the Top Dog in your neighborhood.
Also, you can never be the one to judge whether you have a Top Dog or not. By definition, a Top Dog has to be recognized as such by everyone else.

Some truth to that but have you ever heard a group of walker and English breeders with a long list of top dogs to there credit talk about how they all got smoked by old so and so the last year and a half how nice a red dog it is and so on and so on then they leave
You think to your self old so and so must be a top dog he's winning and guys at the top of this sport was impressed with him wow
Then a week later your sitting there and a group of redbone men sit down and start talking about that same old red when they leave your thinking red can't tree a coon and the handler should be band from the sport lol

So if it's winning and doing it a high % not in there own back yards it probably is a top dog

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-14-2016 08:40 PM:

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Originally posted by mmarshall
So if it's winning and doing it a high % out of there own back yards it probably is a top dog

They are a Top Dog in their own back yard. I guess a lot depends on whose back yard it is. And a whole lot of dogs will be a Top Dog for a couple of years and then just quit. Also some dogs are only at the top of their game when hunted hard while others seem to burn out when you hunt them. Maybe that is why you can't judge a Top Dog on a couple of nights performance. Actually I have seen Chick on a whole lot of nights when I wouldn't have her. But I have also seen her look like a million dollars on other nights. Usually a dog has to have sustained winnings over a period of time or be recognized by a number of individuals. And if a number of top breeders/owners were sitting around talking about how they got smoked, then I would think that dog had done a lot of winning.

Posted by mmarshall on 04-14-2016 08:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
They are a Top Dog in their own back yard. I guess a lot depends on whose back yard it is. And a whole lot of dogs will be a Top Dog for a couple of years and then just quit. Also some dogs are only at the top of their game when hunted hard while others seem to burn out when you hunt them. Maybe that is why you can't judge a Top Dog on a couple of nights performance. Usually a dog has to have sustained winnings over a period of time or be recognized by a number of individuals. And if a number of top breeders/owners were sitting around talking about how they got smoked, then I would think that dog had done a lot of winning.

I ment not in there back yards 😃

Posted by wbond on 04-14-2016 09:40 PM:

What if you draw a TOP DOG and you don't like how he or she operates but everyone else does is it still a TOP DOG ?

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-15-2016 01:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mmarshall
So if it's winning and doing it a high % not in there own back yards it probably is a top dog

Now that makes a lot more sense. I guess that is pretty much the definition of a Top Dog. (You have been hanging around with Shane, I guess. You are getting a little hard to follow sometimes.)

Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-15-2016 01:23 AM:

Bond, I don't really think that one man's opinion will change whether a Top Dog is a Top Dog or not. If a Top Dog is one that has done a lot of winning against some stiff competition, then looking bad one night or not holding up to your expectations doesn't mean that they aren't still a Top Dog. Just because you don't like their style or how they operate doesn't change the fact that they won all of those hunts.

Now with all of that said.... there are exceptions. "I think" that there are some dogs that have won a lot of hunts but a majority or at least a whole lot of people still don't think that they are a "Top Dog". There are some hunts that some might call "big hunts" while most don't think that they are "big hunts". And there are some handlers that have the reputation (whether fairly deserved or not) of being able to win with a poodle. So "sometimes" you have big debates over whether a dog is actually a Top Dog or not. And some people think that they have a Top Dog because he/she won one big hunt. But that is what makes it exciting.

So, doesn't being a Top Dog actually depend on what a majority of the coonhound community actually think about a dog? Isn't it the dog's reputation and how they come by it that matters?

Posted by elvis on 04-15-2016 02:02 AM:

There are some big winners out there that some of us would beat half to death to get them to stop doing what makes them big winners.

Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 04-15-2016 02:28 AM:

TOP DOG

A good dog winning big with a TOP handler. or give me a top dog winning with 3 to 6 different handlers in all different parts of the country. this shows me that for the most part its the DOG that is TOP and not just the handler IMO

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-15-2016 02:29 AM:

Elvis, I had a big winner once that I sure didn't like but he could really win. He was a real tree dog. As he got older he became more of a coonhound and I got to really liking him. But the only problem was, he quit winning.

Posted by oklared on 04-15-2016 03:11 AM:

I SEEN A COUPLE TOP DOGS THAT HAD NEVER BEEN IN A HUNT.

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