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Posted by david.e.penley on 07-23-2019 04:36 PM:

Tight track hounds

I'm i wrong to think, someone saying that a hound is tight mouth on the track is a nice way of saying that the hound is medium to hot nose track hound ?

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 07-23-2019 05:22 PM:

I always took the term tight mouth on track dog to mean the dog did not bark much. It was tight with his mouth. Never thought that term spoke about a dogs nose. But it would stand to reason if a dog isn't barking then it could slip on coon and have a lot of hot tracks to handle.

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Posted by 2ol2hunt on 07-23-2019 05:46 PM:

I had a silent dog and a open cold trailing dog and kept a little Bell on the silent dog and I could tell when he struck by the sound of that Bell. He struck several cooler tracks that ended up with a coon treed. But if he opened on track it would be a deer....go figure...lol

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 07-23-2019 05:48 PM:

Doesn't bark alot on the ground but not silent (still mouth).

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Posted by micooner on 07-23-2019 10:07 PM:

To me tight mouth means either dang near silent or gives out like 3 or 4 trailing barks and the next you hear is tree fred.

Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 07-23-2019 10:43 PM:

Yadkin River Buck is a tight mouthed hound and can run any type of track, he does not say anything till he really starts pushing it and you will hear him grunting in the distance and maybe a short bawl hear and there but not many, then he will come treed with a double locate.

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Posted by Nathan Harder on 07-23-2019 11:41 PM:

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Yadkin River Buck is a tight mouthed hound and can run any type of track, he does not say anything till he really starts pushing it and you will hear him grunting in the distance and maybe a short bawl hear and there but not many, then he will come treed with a double locate.

My young hound is like that. Sometimes he opens, majority of the time he doesn't. But I have yet to determine that he is a hot nosed dog or a cold nosed because some tracks he opens only a few times before falling tree, sometimes its a couple hundred yards before falling treed. One thing is for sure tho is that he is **** accurate.

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Posted by Roy Grant on 07-24-2019 02:26 AM:

David SHHHHH lol Queens brothers are tight on track. I would say they have good noses and accurate. Good lick with the new cross. Should be awesome.

Posted by david.e.penley on 07-24-2019 04:55 AM:

Tight mouth hounds

Thank you Roy, i have my fingers crossed on this new cross.

No what i mine by tight mouth is a silent dog or one that will open two or three barks on the track then tree, wondering if they have a hot nose.

Posted by skeets on 07-24-2019 10:54 AM:

just because a dog dont open a lot on track dont mean there hot nosed and just because a dog opens on track dont mean there a cold nosed dog.

Posted by david.e.penley on 07-24-2019 03:05 PM:

Tight mouth hounds

I was just wondering about this because i never had a silent or a tight mouth hound before and thought she just had a hot nose. Thank you all for your comments, you all have helped alot.

Posted by novicane65 on 07-24-2019 06:39 PM:

I hunt a female for a buddy pretty regularly that is stone silent on the ground unless she can about see the coon on the ground. She isn't a hot nosed dog, but she can locate coons better than most can. She can tree any type of coon, runners, layups, cold feeder tracks. Makes no difference to her. She wins a lot hunts by treeing more coons than the other dogs. Not by out striking them.

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Posted by DL NH on 07-25-2019 03:44 AM:

Live trap a coon take it off to an unfamiliar place to the coon and let it go about an hour before dark. Wait 2-3 hours and go back and turn your hound loose where you released the coon. If you've got a cod nosed coon hound it should open up on that track and trail it under normal conditions and tree it.

What coon hunters call a cold nosed coon hound would in many cases make a lion or bear hunter laugh. The majority of the hounds I've seen that only open a few times before they tree on a regular basis don't classify as cold nosed in my opinion.

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Posted by DL NH on 07-25-2019 03:58 AM:

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I hunt a female for a buddy pretty regularly that is stone silent on the ground unless she can about see the coon on the ground. She isn't a hot nosed dog, but she can locate coons better than most can. She can tree any type of coon, runners, layups, cold feeder tracks. Makes no difference to her. She wins a lot hunts by treeing more coons than the other dogs. Not by out striking them.

What registry sponsors coon hunts that will allow a known "stone silent" dog to compete in the hunts? That dog ought to be scratched pure and simple. That's a large part of why it's really hard to find a true cold nosed track dog that can move a track using its mouth according to the condition of the track. A good cold nosed hound isn't a slow dog. It's patient when it needs to be and can get up and roll with the best of hounds when there's heads up running.

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Posted by Ghost14 on 07-25-2019 05:01 AM:

Dan, I agree with most everything you said. But there are cold nosed dogs that give little mouth while cold trailing. Usually, they will give more as the track gets better but I’ve watched them hit places scent was holding in frost and open good only to move it into the sunny side of a holler and never make a peep as they unraveled it across a long stretch of ground that the other dogs couldn’t trail across. Hit a shady place shielded from thaw under a laurel or something and open like it’s a lot warmer but it’s not, it just hasn’t went through as much change. Those same dogs can leave head down trailing and go a long way before ever opening more than here and there if they are truly good track dogs they are progressing forward and covering distance while that track is still far from good. My experience has been the few really good cold trailing dogs didn’t say a whole awful lot until they had a track moving where they were jumped or almost jumped. Let them take a track at 9 or 10am that they opened on at daylight that was froze in and nothing else could even smell. Walk into a place to check for sign and come back and let him take that track some will open a lot and some will not. I’ve hunted with only 4 or 5 that could trail that tuff of a track and none of them would say much on a track that old until it was jumped out of its bed somewhere. That’s bear. I know nothing about a lion.
Lots of people think they have cold nosed dogs. And lots of people have poor trailing medium to hot nosed hounds that make tracks appear older than they are. How many people have dogs that can trail themselves out 15 hours from now? Very few, most hounds today can’t even trail themselves out if they drop out of a race after a couple hours. I watch them on the Garmin, they can’t hold the line after 2 hours has gone by they will eventually just give up and fall out in a road after they went back and forth 20 times and still couldn’t sort there own track out.

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Posted by DL NH on 07-25-2019 11:45 AM:

Ghost

Excellent post! I don't want a dog giving a lot of voice on a cold track but enough to let me know it's still on the job. I want the whole story which in essence is the dog telling me the conditions of the track by the way it is opening and the amount of ground it's covering.

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Posted by novicane65 on 07-25-2019 08:34 PM:

quote:
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What registry sponsors coon hunts that will allow a known "stone silent" dog to compete in the hunts? That dog ought to be scratched pure and simple. That's a large part of why it's really hard to find a true cold nosed track dog that can move a track using its mouth according to the condition of the track. A good cold nosed hound isn't a slow dog. It's patient when it needs to be and can get up and roll with the best of hounds when there's heads up running.

Pkc is what the kennel club is that you can run what you brung style hunts. And not many coonhounds can trail 15 hour old coon tracks. You're logic is apples to potatoes. Still food, still good for you but definitely not the same. If you compared bondage to coyote maybe. And it has to do with how much scent the critter leaves behind. I'd say the avg hound can smell a coon track under ideal conditions 2 or 3 hours at best. But switch that coon with a bear and there's 10 times more scent to start with.

I get what you're saying on track mouth. And you can change how much a dog opens. The dog I'm referring to is prime example of it. She was born a still mouth dog. If I was able to hunt her for a month at a time, she'd open on track more like she did as a young dog. The guy that owns her prefers a still mouth dog. And there's the flip side of things too. Where you have guys that want their dogs to never stop barking. So mouth has little to do with how a dog can smell or move a track hot or cold.

Posted by Sawyer Hortin on 07-26-2019 12:27 AM:

It's what's between the ears that determines everything.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 07-26-2019 12:38 AM:

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It's what's between the ears that determines everything.

Nah part of it is who's holding the leash.

Posted by shadinc on 07-26-2019 12:56 AM:

The one holding the leash needs something between his ears as well.

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Posted by Preacher Tom on 07-26-2019 01:22 AM:

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Nah part of it is who's holding the leash.

I often wonder how many of my dogs problems/failure to live up to his potential are my fault. I tend to interfere too much. Gonna try to let this next pup figure out all he can own his own.

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Posted by trsizemore on 07-26-2019 02:05 AM:

silent hounds

will not own one this is the best part of the race

Posted by trsizemore on 07-26-2019 02:05 AM:

silent hounds

will not own one this is the best part of the race

Posted by CHEWBACH on 07-26-2019 02:19 AM:

Bruce said it! love a tight mouth dog Not silent tho. open when it smeals track drift it out and open .not some raddle headed dog . call it using there brain if they have one. not so much mouth. has nothing to do with how much nose they have. off here got pups to hunt.

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 07-26-2019 02:20 AM:

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Originally posted by shadinc
The one holding the leash needs something between his ears as well.

Absolutely!

And Tom there is nothing wrong with tweaking one your way. The ones that over do it try working on 17 different things at the same time and shocking and toning till the dog has no idea what is expected of it.
All of ours have been shocked only a few times in there lives and don't wear a collar capable of shocking unless they are being set up for a specific purpose the 2 main reasons would be when it's time they may need broke off specific off game or they need their ears cleaned out to come when called. They know what is expected of them, hunt for coons without letting grass grow under their feet from the time they are turned loose completely indifferent to anything going on around them until they are either leashed under a tree or called in, that's it. They aren't perfect, none are but those are his conditions.

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