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Antis are Getting Creative!

There are certainly frontal assaults, against hunting rights, like the non-stop fight in Maine where they keep attempting to outlaw hunting of bear. But if you aren't paying close attention, one might assume that they are leaving us small game hunters alone, for the time being.

But the truth is, we too are under attack every day. But the devil is not at the front door... he's at the back door, side window and maybe even in the crawl space!

If you see all of Sara's postings on various bills, you know that the real battle, is being fought as skirmishes in every state. They're attempting to outlaw putting a dog on a chain, or they're redefining "puppy mills" as just a few dogs, or they're redefining dog-fighting laws as a fight between any four legged animal! What they are attempting to do is outlaw hunting, not by out-lawing hunting, rather everything that has to do with hunting with dogs.

SO, if you were waiting for the devil to be at the door, before you took action, trust me... he's on the premises!

By the way, the HSUS has already declared that they will be back in Maine, in 2016. BUT, this time as opposed to attacking hunting of bear, they're going to focus on hound hunting of bear. Why??? Because they believe we're a softer target! And if we don't come together, we are...

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David Schmidt
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!!!!!!!!!! EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!

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what is the membership number of the tree dog assc? One reason I WONT be moved from the deep south.

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David you are right. They have an agenda and are pursuing it by any means possible. One group that are not aware of a lot of this is the bow hunters. HSUS and PETA have vowed to put a stop to it also. We as hunters need to stick together regardless of what type of hunting you enjoy doing.

hunting

Good post Dave,we just lost some more hound hunting in Wisconsin at the spring meeting.The people with hunting dogs don't seem to care.

Great post Dave! Please keep this at the top of this page. We all need to come together and make a stand against the anti's! Dave could you post a link on this forum that would allow hunters and clubs to join the NHTDA online?

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Jim Kirk
Gr Nt. Ch Gr Ch. Yadkin River Maestro
NHTDA Member
National Hound And Tree Dog Association

Introductory Membership
http://nhtda.org/index.php/membership

P.E.T.A. alone collected in donations and sales for the year 2014......... fifty one million, nine hundred thirty three thousand DOLLARS.
How many politicans ya figure that will buy?

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John the antis are very organized and as we all know and have witnessed, have done a great job of raising money and getting people to support their efforts. The NHTDA is our opportunity to organize and fight to keep our rights as houndsmen and women! Please help keep our sport alive.

Don't delay reach out to Dave today!

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Jim Kirk
Gr Nt. Ch Gr Ch. Yadkin River Maestro
NHTDA Member
National Hound And Tree Dog Association

Introductory Membership
http://nhtda.org/index.php/membership

LINK

I've looked into this and think that it is a very smart idea. You are right about them not outlawing the hunting itself, but making laws that make it nearly impossible to hunt hounds or even own hunting hounds without it being illegal. Here is a link to the Introductory Membership page. I encourage people to join and for us to stand together. Not just coon hunters, not even just hound hunters, but hunters in general. Be sure to look under their general discussions forum and read about their first board meeting. The plans sound great. I will surely be helping fund their ideas.

Introductory Membership
http://nhtda.org/index.php/membership

General Discussions forums
http://nhtda.org/index.php/kunena/general-discussion

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Re: hunting

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Originally posted by pat endel
Good post Dave,we just lost some more hound hunting in Wisconsin at the spring meeting.The people with hunting dogs don't seem to care.

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Wisconsin Association of Sporting Dogs

At our meeting on Monday night we voted to join the NHTDA, we will have a table at the Heartland Classic to buy WASD memberships, we as hound people of Wisconsin better get on the bus to help keep our rights.

Scott

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Scott Steede
Wisconsin
920-213-6764
U.S. Army Retired

Run-A-Muck Hounds






Proud Member of:
Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association
Wyoming Federation of Houndsmen
Idaho Houndsmen Ass’n
National Hound and Tree Dog Association
United States Sportsmen's Alliance

Make no mistake, HSUS and PETA are resolve in their mission to ban or outlaw hunting, and hunting with hounds is front and center in their sight picture.

These organizations generate hundreds of millions of dollars each year, and they have full time staff who's job it is to work as hard as they can to accomplish their agenda. They use the emotions of mini-van driving, suburban soccer moms to pay for their efforts.

Today, these groups are almost 50% successful in their attacks, and with deep pockets, each time they are defeated they vow to regroup and bring the attack again soon. Don't let anyone fool you, they are full time businesses. They have two jobs, raise money, and attack. As long as they have the ability to raise money, they will continue to attack.

Today, the hound hunting world is "exposed". These groups of "animal welfare" warriors have figured out that we are unorganized, fragmented, and they truly believe we are small in number and unprotected. Mark my words, and in reality they are not my words, but theirs.....they are coming after hunting with hounds.

For the past few years, the assault was on breeding. By taking the many federal, state, and local laws and ordinances on breeding dogs that outlaw "puppy mills" and pressing for changes in those laws that make it darn near impossible to raise a litter of pups. Having a small amount of success we are seeing a change in direction, and they are now working on the multitude of tethering legislation across the country.

Folks, if you don't think that our heritage of hunting with hounds/dogs is not under attack across the country by making it more difficult to purchase a pup, or to house your dog. The hope is that at least part of us will throw in the towel, reducing our numbers even more, and the eventuality is that we will be defeated.

The only true way to combat this silent, flanking attack is to organize, and to present ourselves as a strong front. Joining the NHTDA either by association with an affiliate club, or by individual membership is how we gather strength.

Thanks to all of the organizations and individuals that have already joined, and we look forward to discussions with other organizations and individuals.

Our time is coming.....

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Joe Newlin
UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

Oak Ridge

Very Well Said!!!!

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Scott Steede
Wisconsin
920-213-6764
U.S. Army Retired

Run-A-Muck Hounds






Proud Member of:
Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association
Wyoming Federation of Houndsmen
Idaho Houndsmen Ass’n
National Hound and Tree Dog Association
United States Sportsmen's Alliance

I will be joining today. I wish UKC would step up and stand with NHTDA and recommend that all UKC people join and maybe this could help to be a real movement with real pow'r.

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Krystal Lear posted the link for individual membership. Thank You!

As Scott pointed out, we are really driving the Affiliate Club membership, where we partner with existing organizations and clubs. Whereas you join our affiliate, and become members of both organizations. The link to that information is:

http://nhtda.org/index.php/membership/club-membership

To answer NiteHeats question on membership levels... we're still counting! We signed the TWBFA last weekend and the Wisconsin Sporting Dog Association is also coming on board, so once we have those lists we'll know for certain, but we're approaching 2000 members.

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David Schmidt
219-614-0654

Keep up the great work Dave!!

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Mark Twain

I wrote this thread, because I've seen multiple other threads and posts, where folks discuss defending ourselves or even going on the offensive. And I don't disagree with those ideas, BUT how are we to do so???

I firmly believe the answer is through organization... strength in numbers! But that does not mean starting from scratch. We have a lot of great clubs and organizations already in existence, we just need to pull those resources together in one large partnership.

Now granted, a little over a year ago we were the "new kids on the block" and relatively unknown. But we've been out there, the best we can, hitting events, answering questions over the phone and on the web, and recently being tested and questioned by some pretty experienced associations. And for those that have taken the time to look into us, we've built their trust.

We hope many others join them, and do so before it's too late.

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David Schmidt
219-614-0654

Many things are working against us . 3 dogs / residence laws , ammo hard to find and expensive if you do , dog food is expensive , vet bills are high , even giving your own shots is expensive , hunting land harder to find , cost of transportation to hunt , low attendance at local events makes you wonder why bother .
Major events that draw from everywhere are still pretty good but many are just tired of trying to keep up because of all the little things that pile up until it's like a big credit card debt to carry .

Dale - there's been many times, I've asked myself, "why bother" but I need only look at my 5 and 7 year old sons, to answer that question!

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David Schmidt
219-614-0654

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Originally posted by Dale Young
Many things are working against us . 3 dogs / residence laws , ammo hard to find and expensive if you do , dog food is expensive , vet bills are high , even giving your own shots is expensive , hunting land harder to find , cost of transportation to hunt , low attendance at local events makes you wonder why bother .
Major events that draw from everywhere are still pretty good but many are just tired of trying to keep up because of all the little things that pile up until it's like a big credit card debt to carry .

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I think what has to happen is every group that supports hunting with any kind of dog( hounds, beagles, curs, & so forth) have got to start working together. For instance South Carolina State Coonhunters Assoc. is a big advoacate in y state, so in turn National tree dog should be in tight contact with the . You have to get all on board the coonhunters, deerdog hunters, fox hunters, squirrel hunters, hog hunters, bear hunters, rabbit hunters, birddog hunters,& if all ban together to talk to your state elected officials that you have elected, we as houndsan have got to get educated & start working together if we want to continue what we love, if not it will be a thing of yesteryear.

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Originally posted by pinehillkennels
I think what has to happen is every group that supports hunting with any kind of dog( hounds, beagles, curs, & so forth) have got to start working together.

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David Schmidt
219-614-0654

I'm getting older so what happens around me likely doesn't matter much in my case . There were hounds out back before I was born and I've spent a life time around them .
My point is that creativity you're talking about is coming from all sides and sometimes from sources you may not expect and it appears to be eating the apple one small bite at a time until you're left with the core .

Make no mistake , you can say what you won't do but when the time comes that being a lap dog or Westminster show dog is the only legal purpose for having a dog you will be painfully aware that it's to late .

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Originally posted by Dale Young

Make no mistake , you can say what you won't do but when the time comes that being a lap dog or Westminster show dog is the only legal purpose for having a dog you will be painfully aware that it's to late .

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David pm sent please help . You can contact me at 479 -355-1004

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