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Posted by Rip on 02-24-2013 08:16 PM:

Na$car

Sounds like the winner has already been determined by the powers that be if she don't get in a wreck. But it's a sport, just like rasslin. LMBO

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Posted by Diggerman on 02-24-2013 09:19 PM:

You can't beat nascar fans.After the big wreck yesterday they interviewed a lady with a broken leg and laserations as she was being loaded into the meatwagon.She said she was fine and was not going to miss todays race.I would bet that there will be no lawsuits out of the 28 injuries,but all scraps of metal will wind up on a shelf right beside their "Intimidator" picture.

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Posted by Rip on 02-24-2013 09:30 PM:

I used to love it until the 90's when they started really influencing the outcomes of races.

Then decided it was too much like rasslin and only watch occasionally like today.

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Posted by Rip on 02-24-2013 09:43 PM:

Smart move destroying the winning car like that, helps with the inspection when you have had trouble in that area as much as he has LOL.

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Posted by robgregory on 02-24-2013 10:40 PM:

Boring race

I thought it was boring as hell.Except for the first 15 or 20 laps and the last 12 or so,it was single file the whole race.Only excitement was the wrecks and the race off pit road.I don't know if it's that new GEN6 cars or what.I wasn't impressed.
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Posted by trackdriver on 02-24-2013 10:50 PM:

Drag racing is where it's at. I have some friends who loves nascar.

Posted by jackbob42 on 02-25-2013 12:38 AM:

As that wreck yesterday showed how easy it would be for one of those drivers to get killed , I wonder where they find those guys who are willing to let NASCAR tell them who can win the race and who can't.
If I was risking my life , NOBODY would be telling me whether I could win or not.
THAT just don't make no sense to me.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 02-25-2013 01:53 AM:

Its never been the same for me since the black # 3 has been gone. You couldn't force me to watch one nowdays.

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Posted by ed robertson on 02-25-2013 02:36 AM:

NASCAR MADE HISTORY TODAY FIRST TIME TWO WOMEN SAT ON THE FRONT ROW OF DAYTONA 500 LOL

Posted by Rip on 02-25-2013 03:47 AM:

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Originally posted by jackbob42
As that wreck yesterday showed how easy it would be for one of those drivers to get killed , I wonder where they find those guys who are willing to let NASCAR tell them who can win the race and who can't.
If I was risking my life , NOBODY would be telling me whether I could win or not.
THAT just don't make no sense to me.

Tony Stewart got in big trouble for admitting they were scripted several years ago. They cut his winning bigtime after that.

It's easy, you control the insepction process, you decide what you let pass or not, you decide who gets fined or who loses points or who don't (case in point one of Dales championships Martin won but they took points from Martin and didn't from Dale, it was the difference in who won the championship that year and that was before they started scripting to the extent they have).

Caution when it benifits some, not others, allow some to speed on pit road, others not.

On and on and on.

The only thing that gets in their way is wrecks.

Oh they would just say they are making it "more competitive" but as Tony put it "scripting" is a better way to say it.

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Posted by skeets on 02-25-2013 06:48 AM:

nascar aint what it use to be.i would like one time to see grease under a drivers fingernail like it used to be.

Posted by rrs on 02-25-2013 11:53 AM:

don't believe scripted is the correct explanation, influenced yes, by inspection, when flags thrown, etc., if scripted jr. would have won a championship since he is the face of nascar, danica may draw some fans- not sure if they will be the type that become core supporters.... hope the new car races better on non-restricted tracks or will lose more fan base.... no longer race what you brought, test of drivers, now big $$$ and who can afford the most-best....

Posted by H. L. Meyer on 02-25-2013 12:00 PM:

Rip

You are spot on, those two are SLICKKKKK that is why they are winners to. You know if you ain't rubing U ain't racing and if U ain't cheating U ain't winning. Gota love it though.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 02-25-2013 02:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rip
Tony Stewart got in big trouble for admitting they were scripted several years ago. They cut his winning bigtime after that.

It's easy, you control the insepction process, you decide what you let pass or not, you decide who gets fined or who loses points or who don't (case in point one of Dales championships Martin won but they took points from Martin and didn't from Dale, it was the difference in who won the championship that year and that was before they started scripting to the extent they have).

Caution when it benifits some, not others, allow some to speed on pit road, others not.

On and on and on.

The only thing that gets in their way is wrecks.

Oh they would just say they are making it "more competitive" but as Tony put it "scripting" is a better way to say it.

Is all this just your opinion , or can you prove any of it?
If everything was scripted , they wouldn't need any wrecks.
I think it's funny how so many people can see the same thing and have so many different opinions.
A good example is Dale Earnhardt.
Millions of people saw how he would slip up under someones rear end and take the air of their spoiler and loosen them up and then pass them. No matter how many replays showed that he never touched their cars , the other guys fans still swore up and down that he had hit him.

Like I said , does it make sense that guys would go out there and risk their lives if they were told who could win and who couldn't?
Do you think the pitcrews would risk getting killed to do what they do if they knew they couldn't win?

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Posted by JustinH23 on 02-25-2013 02:45 PM:

If it was scripted as much as some think, Dale Jr. would win every race. It wouldn't make much sense to have the most popular driver not winning if it was rigged, right?

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Posted by JustinH23 on 02-25-2013 02:47 PM:

And say what you want about Danica, I'll forever think about her being on a pole at the Daytona 500, just not in the race

Posted by robgregory on 02-25-2013 10:17 PM:

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And say what you want about Danica, I'll forever think about her being on a pole at the Daytona 500, just not in the race

Hell,I was pullin' for her.She ran a helluva race,but couldn't find any friends towards the end of the race.My all time favorite driver got 3rd place,and I not even sure how he pulled that one off.He was runnin' 'bout the middle of the pack all day 'til the end.
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Posted by Rip on 02-25-2013 10:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
Is all this just your opinion , or can you prove any of it?
If everything was scripted , they wouldn't need any wrecks.
I think it's funny how so many people can see the same thing and have so many different opinions.
A good example is Dale Earnhardt.
Millions of people saw how he would slip up under someones rear end and take the air of their spoiler and loosen them up and then pass them. No matter how many replays showed that he never touched their cars , the other guys fans still swore up and down that he had hit him.

Like I said , does it make sense that guys would go out there and risk their lives if they were told who could win and who couldn't?
Do you think the pitcrews would risk getting killed to do what they do if they knew they couldn't win?

They don't pick the winner ahead of time but they do pick who they are going to allow to have over bored injectors, larger restrictor plates, etc etc etc. They can really, really stack the deck.

SCRIPTED wasn't MY choice of words, it was actually Tony Stewarts choice after he was pissed off when he had what he felt like was a win taken away from him with "debris" cautions where no debris was on the track.

As far as wrecks, that's the thing they can't control and sometimes you win even if the deck is stacked against you.

They have in the past allowed some drivers more leeway with "interpretations" of the rules but when they started throwing cautions and penaltys in order to change the outcomes of the races even the most blind loyalist had to admit it was gettin like rasslin and most of the older die hard fans have quit watching.

Tony was right, they are their own worse enemy by meddling with it and trying to influence the outcomes of the races.

Oh and since you asked here is a link to an article talking about Tony getting in trouble for saying it.

http://voices.yahoo.com/nascars-ton...ked-343704.html

And there are more where he compared NA$CAR to the WWF, he got in trouble for that as well.

So that came from a multiple championship winner, not me and I would say what he said before he got in trouble was pretty close to accurate, otherwise they wouldn't have cared.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 02-26-2013 02:01 AM:

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Originally posted by Rip

So that came from a multiple championship winner, not me and I would say what he said before he got in trouble was pretty close to accurate, otherwise they wouldn't have cared.

So , Stewart loses a race , and then whines that he got cheated.
(Heck , that goes on every week at the nite hunts ! LOL)

If he was leading before the caution was thrown , why wasn't he leading it when they went back green? And if he was , why couldn't he keep the lead?

That link is just to someone who has the same opinion as you do. I didn't see a credible news source listed.

C'mon Rip , you're smarter than that , it just doesn't make any sense.

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Posted by Rip on 02-26-2013 03:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
So , Stewart loses a race , and then whines that he got cheated.
(Heck , that goes on every week at the nite hunts ! LOL)

If he was leading before the caution was thrown , why wasn't he leading it when they went back green? And if he was , why couldn't he keep the lead?

That link is just to someone who has the same opinion as you do. I didn't see a credible news source listed.

C'mon Rip , you're smarter than that , it just doesn't make any sense.

There are several of these stories. I personally saw Stewart fuming about "Scripted" races the day that happened. He wasn't whining about being "cheated" he was complaining about NA$CAR influencing the race instead of letting the cars and drivers influence the race.

Then there are the links to him saying it on his show, comparing it to the WWF saying it worked for wrestling and NA$CAR was doing it too.

Look they have always meddled and allowed some to get away with a wink and a nod and threw the book at others based on who the fans wanted to win most but they went way too far about the time that Stewart went off on them. They lost all credibility during that time due to their phantom debris cautions, and they were phantom because I know of at least one time that drivers officially asked NA$CAR to produce the piece of debris that caused the caution and they could not produce it. They meddled back in the 80's too but the meddling stayed in the garage not on the track.

They brought it to the track and that is where the problems started.

Why would the drivers not say anything? Cause a chance to win against a stacked deck is better than no chance at all and NA$CAR made it plain to Tony that there are plenty of other drivers that would love to come out and compete against NA$CAR's stacked deck every week that's why.

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Posted by Rip on 02-26-2013 03:57 AM:

But just for you, how are these for "credible"

"Newser) � Two-time champion Tony Stewart charges that NASCAR is rigged like pro wrestling. He said officials control races by throwing bogus caution flags for debris on the track. �They can almost dictate the race instead of the drivers doing it. It�s happened too many times this year," said Stewart on his Sirius Satellite Radio radio show.

The radio appearance was Stewart's first since he lost a race to Jeff Gordon on Saturday and skipped the post-race press conference. Stewart dominated the race until a late exchange of leads he says was caused by four caution flags. "I don�t know that they�ve run a fair race all year."".....

http://www.newser.com/story/1683/ch...-is-rigged.html

How's NBC, are they "credible"

"�I guess NASCAR thinks �Hey, wrestling worked, and it was for the most part staged, so I guess it�s going to work in racing, too,�� he said. �I can�t understand how long the fans are going to let NASCAR treat them like they�re stupid before the fans finally turn on NASCAR.

�I don�t know that they�ve run a fair race all year.�

NASCAR called Stewart�s comments �very, very disappointing.�.....................�There are thousands of talented race drivers out there who would consider it an honor to compete in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series.�"

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/18312...s-motor_sports/

So there you have it, go with the flow or they will find somebody else to race, which is their perrogative. You asked how and why they would go along with it? Because making millions of dollars while racing against a stacked deck is better than not making that money and not getting to race on that level. Their meddling on the track is exactly the reason they are where they are now with all the old school fans who liked racing instead of rasslin leaving for more honest sports.

Tony is as credible as they come, he's won at least three championships and has won the old Winston Cup, and the Nextel Chase and has won as an owner/driver. He knows his stuff and he spoke the truth.

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Posted by Rip on 02-26-2013 04:09 AM:

Re: thats

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B.S.!!

like i posted above no SPONSER or team owner that has never won championship,or some even a race!!!

is gonna waste millions every race knowing there getting "cheated"!!

sounds like a excuse!! he should have stayed with gibbs and home depot.
he wouldn't be crying now!!

Yeah cause a guy who has won at least three championships of that sport wouldn't know what was really going on inside that sport.

Look he was mad and let it out, and the truth hurts some that want to believe, but while they can't completely dictate the race it is closer to the WWF than it is to a legitimate level playing field.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 02-26-2013 02:33 PM:

Rip , look at what you're doing......
All you're doing is posting links to Stewart whining about losing a race due to a caution and someone quoting him.
And champion , or not , does not make it true.
Does it make sense the if he really felt that way that he would be putting so much of his own money into owning a race team?
Don't make no sense to me.

Every week , all over the country , there are questionable calls made in all kinds of sports activities from the high school level all the way up to the pro level. Does that mean they are all " rigged"? Or is it possible it was just human error or just a matter of opinion?
If there was a piece of debris laying down on the apron , some folks would say it was nothing to worry about. Others might say it was a hazard.
Have you never made a " bad call "?
Oh , wait a minute , you said Danica was gonna win if she didn't wreck. Didn't happen ! LOL
Not saying that's what happened , but it could have been.

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Posted by Rip on 03-03-2013 12:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
Rip , look at what you're doing......
All you're doing is posting links to Stewart whining about losing a race due to a caution and someone quoting him.
And champion , or not , does not make it true.
Does it make sense the if he really felt that way that he would be putting so much of his own money into owning a race team?
Don't make no sense to me.

Every week , all over the country , there are questionable calls made in all kinds of sports activities from the high school level all the way up to the pro level. Does that mean they are all " rigged"? Or is it possible it was just human error or just a matter of opinion?
If there was a piece of debris laying down on the apron , some folks would say it was nothing to worry about. Others might say it was a hazard.
Have you never made a " bad call "?
Oh , wait a minute , you said Danica was gonna win if she didn't wreck. Didn't happen ! LOL
Not saying that's what happened , but it could have been.

Read the post again, I didn't say she was going to win. I said it SOUNDED like they had her up there already.

As one previous NA$CAR driver stated "They don't know for sure is going to win but they SHURE AS HE!! know who ain't".

Na$car has always been "rigged" to an extent, it's how they took a championship away from Martin and gave it to Dale Sr way back when but that was in the garage with penalty points (took points from Martin even though his car was actually legal by the word for word rules but thought it violated the "spirit of the rule" and didn't from Dale when his carb was over bored. Said Martin knew he was running for a championship and Dale didn't when the incidents happened so they thought they should take points from Martin and not Dale).

But later the cautions, especially during those couple years Tony was talking about were definately rigging the outcomes of races. NA$CAR didn't see it that way, they saw it as "tightening up the field" and making it "a better race" but in reality that's what it is, fixing the race.

Besides it's very, very, very easy to just hand one driver a plate that is oversized and another that is undersized and nobody would ever know.

Is it rigged to where they know exactly who is going to win? No but it is more like the WWF than a real sport and it has been getting worse since the late 80's early 90's. That's why they lost many of the old school fans, myself included.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 03-03-2013 02:41 AM:

And again , all quotes , no links to "real" facts ( not opinionated stories) .

I'm done here.

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