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Posted by OLD TIMER on 01-30-2021 06:47 PM:

WOW-Just got my American Cooner:

See where there's a litter of "puppies" for $5,000.00 each.

Can't find what the guarantee is on them nor do I even know what it should be?? For anyone that bought one could you please let me know.

Thank you

OT

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Posted by Josh Michaelis on 01-30-2021 07:28 PM:

Re: WOW-Just got my American Cooner:

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
See where there's a litter of "puppies" for $5,000.00 each.

Can't find what the guarantee is on them nor do I even know what it should be?? For anyone that bought one could you please let me know.

Thank you

OT

I don't have the Cooner yet. What were they out of?

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Posted by Heikki on 01-30-2021 08:56 PM:

Re: Re: WOW-Just got my American Cooner:

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I don't have the Cooner yet. What were they out of?

Lipper semen x Waltz & Harris Heart Breaker

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Posted by pamjohnson on 01-30-2021 11:43 PM:

I have hunted many nights with that gyp. She doesn't make many mistakes. Mr Paul Harris did a fine job training and titling her.

Posted by Paul Frederick on 01-31-2021 12:27 AM:

They ran the same ad in the February Coonhound Bloodlines. Pages 14 & 15.

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Posted by Will Walker on 01-31-2021 02:37 AM:

Heres how i look at it , if im not buying one i dont need to wonder anything . Them guys do their homework . If i made one of them pups a dual grand and went to studding it do u know how fast you could make $5000 ?

Posted by wart on 01-31-2021 02:43 AM:

Dogs

Not very fast by the time you raise and train one and then make them dual grand your looking at 10.000 grand

Posted by Josh Michaelis on 01-31-2021 03:53 AM:

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Originally posted by Will Walker
Heres how i look at it , if im not buying one i dont need to wonder anything . Them guys do their homework . If i made one of them pups a dual grand and went to studding it do u know how fast you could make $5000 ?

Not as fast as you think. The stud business isn't as lucrative as it was 15 years ago.

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Posted by Night Shift on 02-01-2021 01:22 AM:

How many years has it been since Lipper had a winner.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 02-01-2021 02:24 AM:

5K pups

Folks that can spend 5K on a pup really do not worry about a return on their investment as much as maybe getting a really good coon dog. Dogs and horses are more for pleasure, bragging rights, etc than an investment. If you want to invest for profit, stay out of dogs and horses. I can guarantee you there is no profit in either, but the expense is high, but the fun and pleasure is priceless to me. Dave

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Posted by wart on 02-01-2021 03:36 AM:

Dogs

The only way for most not to loose money in dogs is never leave your driveway

Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 02-01-2021 01:06 PM:

Couple real good thoughts here:

"Folks that can spend 5K on a pup really do not worry about a return on their investment as much as maybe getting a really good coon dog. Dogs and horses are more for pleasure, bragging rights, etc than an investment. If you want to invest for profit, stay out of dogs and horses. I can guarantee you there is no profit in either, but the expense is high, but the fun and pleasure is priceless to me. Dave"

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 02-01-2021 03:45 PM:

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Posted by JDMiller on 02-01-2021 04:10 PM:

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How many years has it been since Lipper had a winner.

good question! With all the hype of the Impact litter years back I was kinda let down but then again lipperwas only half the cross. Also the type of dogs that win today would have be shot if they were around in lippers day.

Posted by Paul Frederick on 02-01-2021 04:18 PM:

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How many years has it been since Lipper had a winner.

I wouldn't necessarily fault Lipper for that, though. It seems like so many of these AI pups get bought by older guys who don't care about putting their dog in any competition hunt, or by guys who are afraid of the dog getting hurt or killed and won't put them in a hunt. We've all seen stud ads on Lipper sons who have no titles, not because they couldn't title out, but because, for whatever reason, they are never put in the hunts.

I would love to see one of these pups go to some top competition trainers, owners, and handlers to see what they really can do in today's Nite Hunts. Some Hardwood Patch semen pups have done some winning as of late in PKC, so I don't doubt Lipper pups could win today.

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Posted by Revenge on 02-01-2021 05:45 PM:

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I wouldn't necessarily fault Lipper for that, though. It seems like so many of these AI pups get bought by older guys who don't care about putting their dog in any competition hunt, or by guys who are afraid of the dog getting hurt or killed and won't put them in a hunt. We've all seen stud ads on Lipper sons who have no titles, not because they couldn't title out, but because, for whatever reason, they are never put in the hunts.

I would love to see one of these pups go to some top competition trainers, owners, and handlers to see what they really can do in today's Nite Hunts. Some Hardwood Patch semen pups have done some winning as of late in PKC, so I don't doubt Lipper pups could win today.

If the big money men in $kc thought Lipper dogs could win them the big checks they would find a way to get their hands on some. JMO.

Posted by Night Shift on 02-01-2021 06:58 PM:

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If the big money men in $kc thought Lipper dogs could win them the big checks they would find a way to get their hands on some. JMO.

Exactly they were never big winners but that’s not saying he hasn’t helped the Walker breed. His pups just lacked traits and needed a couple generations to perfect. JMO

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 02-01-2021 07:19 PM:

Holly crap just imagine what the price would be if they could win something.

All pups sold Before The Add came out!

Posted by mhardy on 02-01-2021 08:10 PM:

the lipper pups and grandpups could win today if the rules were the same as yesteryear.but they have bred the dogs today to fit the rules now in place.so now think about it, could the dogs today win by the rules of yesteryear???before the one min. rule was in place, I saw a whole cast scratched for mouthing off the chain in a ACHA world hunt.wonder how these today dogs would stack up against those rules ??

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 02-01-2021 08:19 PM:

Seems to an almost unending supply of Lipper. Just when everyone thinks it's the last more is found.

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 02-01-2021 08:22 PM:

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Seems to an almost unending supply of Lipper. Just when everyone thinks it's the last more is found.

I think there's a lab making it in Marietta, Oklahoma.

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Posted by yadkinriver on 02-01-2021 08:47 PM:

Just talked to a feller in Oklahoma who was laughing at this post. Said outta 5000 pups if it was ever gonna happen it would have already. He may start advertising Lipper semen and catfish bait.

Posted by Night Shift on 02-01-2021 10:12 PM:

quote:
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the lipper pups and grandpups could win today if the rules were the same as yesteryear.but they have bred the dogs today to fit the rules now in place.so now think about it, could the dogs today win by the rules of yesteryear???before the one min. rule was in place, I saw a whole cast scratched for mouthing off the chain in a ACHA world hunt.wonder how these today dogs would stack up against those rules ??

Today’s dogs are just better dogs plain and simple. Today’s dogs would dominate the old hunts. I’m not sure what you mean with all this babbling. It’s not as prevalent as one might think. Yea I run into it but I can honestly say I’ve not lost very many because of it.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 02-01-2021 11:56 PM:

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Originally posted by Night Shift
Today’s dogs are just better dogs plain and simple. Today’s dogs would dominate the old hunts. I’m not sure what you mean with all this babbling. It’s not as prevalent as one more think. Yea I run into it but I can honestly say I’ve not lost very many because of it.

Jason, you may just be 100 percent right. I have coon hunted over 60 years and have owned my own dogs for over 50 years. I can honestly say that the dogs today are absolutely better across the board than dogs were years ago. You will definitely see more decent dogs today than years ago. Yes, I know there were some outstanding coon dogs back in the day, but there are more outstanding coon dogs today. Definitely more better than average coon dogs today than in the old days. I see way more dogs today that anyone would like to own than I did back in the day. I remember when just a decent coon dog was hard to find, I am talking s decent hunting, trash free accurate coon dog. I know of a lot of dogs today that hunt good, tree coons accurately and do not run trash, those kind were scarce back in the day, at least in these mountains. I pay no attention to the naysayers who are stuck in the past comparing Apple's to grapefruits. Lol. Dave

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Posted by Dave Richards on 02-01-2021 11:56 PM:

Double post.Sorry! Dave

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