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Posted by SHANE & JACK on 08-06-2008 03:44 AM:

Heres A ? For Everyone

I HAVE A GRCH GRNTCH ENGLISH DOG THAT I AM THINKING OF BREEDING TO A WALKER FEMALE THATS OUT OF YAKIN RIVER CHICO & PAC MAN BRED BOTH ARE COONDOGS WHAT DO YOU THINK !!!!!

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Posted by M.TARLTON on 08-06-2008 04:00 AM:

I really dont like the idea of cross breeding and then I guess single registering but if your just wanting just good ol country coondogs they should be if hunted nice coon dogs. JMO

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Posted by trappin_girl on 08-06-2008 04:01 AM:

i personally think that you should be breeding for the better purpose of the english breed...but that is my personal opinion

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Posted by SHANE & JACK on 08-06-2008 04:11 AM:

WELL IF YOU LOOK BACK HARDTIME SPECK WAS A WALKER AND THEN REG ENGLISH AND SEVRAL OTHER DOGS THE ENGLISH WAS ONCE REG AS WALKERS I HAVE DONE THIS WHEN HE WAS PKC SS A GUY BROUGHT 2 RAT ATTACK FEMALES AND ALL THE PUPS RAN AND TREED AT YOUNG AGES NOW I HAVE A GOOD WALKER FEMALE (MS COONDOG) I HAVE BEEN SITING ON AND WAS JUST THINKING OF DOING IT

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Posted by redneck_girl on 08-06-2008 04:23 AM:

Shane, we've been friends a might long time. So I guess I can say this....WTH ARE YOU THINKIN'? Have you taken up drinkin'? Too much spare time?

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Posted by wayne f on 08-06-2008 04:54 AM:

as a matter of fact your a little backwards the english breed is a much older breed than the walkers and walkers came out of the english breed
here is my opion if you can't find a worthy mating within your breed than you better change breeds.
cross breeding does nothing for any breed first breeding may produce an outstanding hound but where do you ge from there by cross breeding you have opened the gene pool wide open'
look at any real good producing hound and i will say 90 percent of the time you will see a linebred hound.
now why is this,it's because your breeding from a close gene pool
with more predictable results.
i believe each and every coonhound breed has sufficent above average individuals that would enhance a breeding program without going out of the breed.

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Posted by trott on 08-06-2008 05:44 AM:

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i personally think that you should be breeding for the better purpose of the english breed...but that is my personal opinion

That may be his exact plan in doing so, lol. I believe most people do not want to do this for the sake of having to give credit to a dog outside the English breed. After saying that the English breed has a plenty large enough gene pool of great bloodlines without having to make a outcross but i personally do not see anything wrong with it. BUT my thoughts are hypocritical because i do not think anything but Blueticks and Walkers should be crossbread with an English dog. Again i realize that is hypocritical and predujice. For years people have been crossbreeding with huge success, i am glad UKC does have a way to register some crossbreeds. I just wish they would open a crossbread registry in the UKC and then i could care less if they closed the English books. JMO and not meant to offend anyone. Thanks, Trott.

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Posted by Laura Bell on 08-06-2008 12:45 PM:

The Hooch dog advertised in CB is Half Walker, Half English. There was a big topic on that some time ago.
Then I know of the Timber Cutter stud dog was also being bred to Walker females.
I can't see doing that myself, but to each their own.

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Posted by stinkbait1 on 08-06-2008 12:47 PM:

i wouldn't do it if my life depended on it and you can take that to the bank and i don't mean the bank that is going out of business!

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Posted by SHANE & JACK on 08-06-2008 01:47 PM:

WELL I DON'T KNOW BUT I AM GOING TO BRED HER WHEN SHE COMES IN AND OPEN THE GENE POOL UP MY GRAND DAD ALLWAYS HUNTED CROSS BRED DOGS AND HE HAD COONDOGS !!!

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Posted by Wildcountry on 08-06-2008 02:14 PM:

I believe that I read in bloodlines a while back that the English Association closed single registration effective the first of June. You my what to check into it.

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Posted by Philip on 08-06-2008 03:25 PM:

Just get yourself a walker and be done with it.

Posted by hardtymes on 08-06-2008 04:05 PM:

HEY SHANE!!

All ready done that ,just have to wait and see, till 12 months
old and see if they can play with BIG DOGS}} Do whats works!!

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Posted by Jeff Eaves on 08-06-2008 04:09 PM:

try it what other people think ? your dog you feed them good luck keep us posted

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 08-06-2008 04:42 PM:

Only Prob I see is that you must keep the entire litter or keep them very close to you and make sure their all trained in the same Manner maybe write up a schudule that you want other Trainers to follow .. Now you will get alot of nearly stright walkers depending on the actual % of Walker your male already has in his blood.. He could have alot or carry alot of Walker that will Come out when bred to a Walker Female.. Why keep the whole litter because your going to be looking for the pup that has the Most English trates but also has the Highest Hunting Abilities aswell.

No matter what the Walker will be Most Dominate thru out the Litter.. Their will many Common Treeing Walker Genentics in the Male and Female that will come to the Top.

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Posted by mjflores on 08-06-2008 05:14 PM:

My major question is why? is there something extra special about the female that you think the English breed needs? Cant you find an English female with those same traits? People years ago hunted crossbreeds...mostly because that's what was available to them to breed with. They didn't have the Internet, some didn;t even have the magazines to help find good stock, so you bred to what was there regardless of breed. I think you'll find that some where coondogs...alot were junk, and some of the coondogs became coondogs long after they were dead if you know what I mean. I would say try to find a nice English female to breed your male to, there are a ton of nice females available. I you must breed to the walker, be sure you have people in line to take the pups as they'll be hard to find homes for. Also, try to plan for a small litter. That's my 2 cents.

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Posted by georgef072007 on 08-06-2008 05:28 PM:

why???

When you look at the dogs available out there I can understand why. There comes a time in any breeding program when you need a serious outcross to help stabilize the mental well being of your dogs. Now normally, it would be done within the breed, but sometimes you see a dog that really has a lot to offer in your opinion and if it isn't the same breed, oh well. I just made an outcross on a Walker female with a Black & Tan, everyone asked why I did that, what does he have to offer the Walker Breed? He has nothing to offer the Walkers, however, a little Walker won't hurt the B&T in the pups. The last time I tried a cross similar to this it produced one of the best dogs that I have had the pleasure of feeding, that one was Blue over Black. Since then, I have stuck to the "purebred" dogs, even though I have a B & T female with a white stripe on her chest, wonder where that came from? Maybe the B&T people will want me drawn and quartered but I bet that these pups will make the kind of hounds that people will be proud to own and hunt, and odds are they will be good looking too.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 08-06-2008 05:36 PM:

Just want to Comend all that are being upright and Honest on their Breeding !!! Thank You

Posted by Buckshot on 08-06-2008 05:36 PM:

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Only Prob I see is that you must keep the entire litter or keep them very close to you and make sure their all trained in the same Manner maybe write up a schudule that you want other Trainers to follow .. Now you will get alot of nearly stright walkers depending on the actual % of Walker your male already has in his blood.. He could have alot or carry alot of Walker that will Come out when bred to a Walker Female.. Why keep the whole litter because your going to be looking for the pup that has the Most English trates but also has the Highest Hunting Abilities aswell.

No matter what the Walker will be Most Dominate thru out the Litter.. Their will many Common Treeing Walker Genentics in the Male and Female that will come to the Top.

No offense Steve, but you breed high dollar crossbreeds and sale them under an "umbrella breed name", yet your telling the guy thinking of crossbreeding to either keep the whole litter or keep them close with asinine request to the new owner.

Don't make much sense.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 08-06-2008 05:46 PM:

Their nothing wrong with Fokes who believe in a Specific breeding to work together in their training and Pup progress this is the only Scale inwhich to evaluate the true Success or Dimise of a new Breeding .. and What does it have to do with my "High Dollar Cross Breeds Anyway"

Posted by Buckshot on 08-06-2008 05:52 PM:

Just find it funny that your crossbreeding mixtures of different coonhounds with bloodhounds and offer a high dollar price for them yet telling someone who who is thinking of making crossbreed cross he should keep his litter.

Seems funny not to practice what you preach.

Example-

First Time Breeding
Saltlicks Maggie May" X "Saltlicks Tree Chopper

Yet you have the pups for sale. 10 born and your keeping 1.

Like I said, your advice is funny to others who want to cross-breed.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 08-06-2008 05:56 PM:

We always keep some from each litter and Test each and every 1st time Breeding, We have interactive Web site for each litter plus have a monthly Call list that we track Progress of Pups Also why we are so picky as to who gets a pup from us.. Pleas read my Ad for big game hounds..

Posted by mjflores on 08-06-2008 05:57 PM:

I'm not even sure why Steve is on the UKC message board. None of his dogs are UKC registered, or are even accepted by UKC as anything other than cross breeds. He should be barred if you ask me.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 08-06-2008 06:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Buckshot
Just find it funny that your crossbreeding mixtures of different coonhounds with bloodhounds and offer a high dollar price for them yet telling someone who who is thinking of making crossbreed cross he should keep his litter.

Seems funny not to practice what you preach.

Example-

First Time Breeding
Saltlicks Maggie May" X "Saltlicks Tree Chopper

Yet you have the pups for sale. 10 born and your keeping 1.

Like I said, your advice is funny to others who want to cross-breed.

This litter is out of a provern Sire And Dam of X litters so instead of our Normal $650 price their $550 with a Guarantee of Ability ..

Posted by Buckshot on 08-06-2008 06:17 PM:

The guy who started the thread plans to breed coondog to coondog.

It's still a crossbreed litter, why should he keep the litter and then you sell the litter on a 1st cross as well?

Like I have said, just funny the advice your giving and what your doing.

Seeing as this is the first time you have made this crossbreed cross, and you posted your opnly keeping 1 pup, your advice to me just goes out the window when you do not practice what you preach.

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