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On My Soap Box Again...

Why is it legal to kill an innocent person, but socially unacceptable now to support the death penalty? There are 4,000-5,000 abortions performed across America every day. That adds up to over 50 million innocent lives lost already! Thanks to Roe vs. Wade we are legally allowed to kill our children for a variety of reasons. Oops, didn’t use protection? Don’t feel like you’re old enough to have a child? That’s ok. Not financially able to support a baby? Or, simply just don’t want one? That’s ok too. Others would tell you it’s your body, your choice… but what about the baby? What about his body or her choice?

At the same time, there are many different organizations all across America who are petitioning, fighting, and protesting that the death penalty should be abolished. They say it is in violation of common decency to take a persons life as simply as you would euthanize an animal. They say this person may feel a moment of pain, fear, and discomfort. These people would have you feel sympathy and outrage in behalf of a convicted felon who has committed heinous crimes.

So now I am supposed to believe that it is right to kill the innocent, but simply not acceptable to do so to a serial killer or terrorist. I am supposed to be ok with school counselors handing out condoms and birth control in the schools. I am supposed to accept that my tax money will be used to support a convicted murderer for life because it isn’t FAIR to subject them to the death penalty. I am supposed to believe that the morning after pill is a modern convenience, and that an abortion is just a simple alternative to responsibility. I am supposed to believe that those on death row deserve a right to live despite them robbing others of the same right. And I am supposed to believe that a child is disposable at a moment’s whim.

What happened to strong family values? When did the line between right and wrong become every individuals own choice? How did this country, a land founded on solid principals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, become the land of disposable children and over-crowded prisons? God help us all.

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Re: On My Soap Box Again...

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Originally posted by anscox
Why is it legal to kill an innocent person, but socially unacceptable now to support the death penalty? There are 4,000-5,000 abortions performed across America every day. That adds up to over 50 million innocent lives lost already! Thanks to Roe vs. Wade we are legally allowed to kill our children for a variety of reasons. Oops, didn’t use protection? Don’t feel like you’re old enough to have a child? That’s ok. Not financially able to support a baby? Or, simply just don’t want one? That’s ok too. Others would tell you it’s your body, your choice… but what about the baby? What about his body or her choice?

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Is rape the baby's fault? I used to think that in that situation, I could understand... but not anymore.

Anyone can have an abortion, it takes a stronger woman to endure a pregnancy and do what is RIGHT when they have been wronged. There are so many people out there not able to have chidren, adoption is a wonderful thing.

I don't get how someone can say that they were raped so it's OK. Rape is a horrible, nasty thing. I was attacked many years ago and it took years for me to not flinch when a man came near me. Thankfully, he was stopped (by a child at that...) before I was raped. I understand the horror of feeling helpless and not having any control over what is happening to you. So why then, after going through something like that, would you turn around and inflict the same punishment on a baby? They did not choose to be the product of rape any more than a woman chooses to be raped. So why not take something horrible and nasty, and make some good out of it? Why not give life instead of taking something else precious? Why not give the child to others who may have tried and failed for years, complete their family and give them the greatest gift imaginable.

Just because you have the child doesn't mean you have to raise it, do the responsible thing instead of what comes so easily. Of coarse, the USA is wonderful about promoting the "quick fixes." Even our TV ad's tell you that you should get what you want, when you want it. If you can't afford it, use a credit card. We are all about immediant gradification. It's no wonder that nearly 60% of households live below poverty level (but they still have that brand new car in the driveway!). That's another soap box for another day...

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I use to believe the same as you when it came to this situation but i had a girl friend once that explain that getting rape is not the babies fault but she would still have to look at that kid the rest of her life knowing that only reason it was there was because of something awful. Its not the babies fault but it wasnt her fault either. If people are useing abortion as a form of birth control than it shouldnt be allowed. The only thing that should be allowed is in case of a situation such as rape or medical well being of the mother. The absolute only ways.

I beleive that someone who is without a doubt guilty should die the same way that they killed their victom and it should be known by the public. It should not take 20+ years for it to happen either. If they are sick their execution is delayed until they are well,WHY? It does not make sense to get them well just to kill them!

I do not like abortion. I hate even more what is called "abortion after the fact", the killing of infants and toddlers. If there were no more abortions and all of those babies were born WHO is going to take them? The orfanages already have many babies waiting to be adopted.

App. 30% of all ferterlized eggs are spontainiously aborted before the end of the first trimester. While many people have come to beleive that a ferterlized egg is a person, I beleive that it is a cluster of cells until devolopes a brain and starts moveing on it's own.

Stopping abortions will NOT make people be more responceable.

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Perhaps a coonhound forum is not the place for the debate, I do not know,,,, but it really boils down to whether not you believe the bible or not.............



Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers? (Job 31:15).

Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God (Psalm 22:9-10).

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16).

This is what the LORD says—he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you...(Isaiah 44:2).

Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were conceived, and have carried since your birth. Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you (Isaiah 46:3-4).

And now the LORD says—he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength (Isaiah 49:5).

The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5).

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Oh and while Im on the subject, I forgot the words straight from the Lord Jesus Christ " For whomever harms one of these little children, it would be better for them if a millstone was tied around their neck and they were cast into the depths of the sea "
That alone is enough for me not to support any abortion.

As for the cases of rape or incest........ That is unequaled evil and a terrible thing,,,,, BUT, should I be punished for my fathers sins? I believe the regret and guilt a woman would have for doing an abortion would outweigh any benifit of the abortion. Life isnt easy, but adoption would have to be a better choice in any circumstance.

Finally,, If you dont know and believe the bible, then we have nothing left to discuss on the topic because I base all my opinions there. No disrespect to anyone.... God Bless.....

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death penalty

i also don't agree with abortion

on the death penalty though if you are being found guilty they should have them in the chair and if the verdict is guilty someone throw the switch.

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hmm

Abortion is for convenience and teaches irresponsibility.

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Re: On My Soap Box Again...

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Originally posted by anscox
When did the line between right and wrong become every individuals own choice?

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Nobody else gonna touch this one?

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If moral choices are up to the individual to decide then the guy who shot everyone over in Omaha may have been doing right in his own eyes even though our state and federal laws say it was illegal. Long term, abortion is a symptom of the emptiness of our society on moral and spiritual issues. I would see the anwer to the bigger moral problem as one that the churches have a huge opportunity and responsiblity to change from inside each person who is reached with the gospel of Jesus. Does this discussion belong on here? As long as it is tolerated by the moderators I will make my position known. Does everyone want to hear that Jesus is the answer for all that is broke in this world? Obviously not but some will and they may never have heard this good news before or heard it in a way that cuts into the layers of whatever in and around their soul that keep them stuck in sin and hopelessness. I expect this will offend someone but I don't say it to run anyone down but to lift up who Jesus is. "Judges 21:25-In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit." Read the rest of that book and see if it looks anything like life today. Jesus wants to be king in our hearts.

Better this than some of that other junk

Posting a picture of the gal with her fanny hanging out, now is that what should be posted on this board? Sadly it gets more hits than topics like this.

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Nobody else gonna touch this one?

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I believe abortion in wrong!

Rape or no rape, there is always adoptions! I feel that the person performing the killing will have to answer to GOD for taking another life, on his or her judgement day. I also feel that the person having the abortion done is just as guilty as the person performing it. I feel that the fertilized egg is a person from conception & should be treated as such. God gave you a precious gift & you decide that it isn't worthy of being? No, sorry, not your decidion! Why punish the child, for your own mistake or for just being out of a bad circumstance. Adoptions!

On the death penality....it takes so long to actually get a person to the table, all the appeals, blah, blah, blah. I asked my pastor one time, is the people who administer the drugs to 'put them down' considered murders? What I got was no clear answer. In the end I was told that they too would have to answer for their sins on judgement day. I neither agree nor disagree with the death penalty, we aren't GOD, we are passing judgement & we shouldn't. But I sure don't like my tax dollar supporting their a$$, with 3 meals a day & a guaranteed bed to sleep in everynight, while we have hungry children, homeless person & people in need of medical help, that can't afford it.

It's a very unfair sociality were the law abiding, good folks are punished & the criminals are treated better then we are. Sure they don't have the freedoms that we do to walk around & go shopping, but they made that choice & now we have to pay for it, year after year. They get all their needs taken care of & we have to work for ours & hope we can take can make enough money to do so.

I also feel that the judical systems is one of the most unfair, corrupt practice in working history. Classic case right here where I live. Guy is drunk, admits he's been drinking, BOL .129, hits a van with a father, mother & 2 children in. Father dies on impact. They drag out the court proceedings for 2 yrs. Murderer is out on $50,000.00 bail, lives high on the hog those 2 yrs. Finally goes to court & gets 3-7 years! Guess thats all a mans life is worth.

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Re: Better this than some of that other junk

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Posting a picture of the gal with her fanny hanging out, now is that what should be posted on this board? Sadly it gets more hits than topics like this.

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Ok Erin I'am with you all the way !! Just because Your Better Looking than the Rest of the Guys !!!

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Moral Law

In todays Society , you have many ideas of Morality but there really is only one Gauge for Moral standerds and that is Gods Law and even if you say you dont believe in God you are still Goverend Bye The Judaic Standerds of Law i,e thou shalt not Kill.
In the Bible we read in The Book of Judges Chapter 17:6 there was No king in Israel "But every man did that which was right in his own eyes" . No king means there was no one to answer to , no one that would hold you accountable for what you did . one thing they forgot was They still had a Moral Authority to answer To and that Was Jehovah i,e "the God that is " so just as they had a moral authority to answer to we as well have that same Moral Gauge to go bye , What does God think about it ?

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Originally posted by SCBluetickGirl
Whoa, slow down now... I never said I thought this topic didn't belong here. I just said some people don't think it belongs here, just like some people don't think the classy LSU fan belongs... apparently you don't. I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm just saying that you can't make someone believe something if they don't want to.

Note that I didn't voice my opinion on abortion or the death penalty. I'm not going to. Don't jump all over me for saying we all have the right to believe what we want to. That's just the way it is. Surely this isn't news to you...

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Personally I'm against abortion, but I do think it is everyones choice.

I see there are a bunch of biblical quotes in support of abortion being wrong. However I believe the good book also mentions something about not holding others in judgement.

If someone has cancer, dies in a car crash, is murdered, or ends up dead by some other tradgedy we call it gods will. Well....... is it not possible that an abortion is gods will for that life?

Let's say the good lord is using our time on earth to judge us as is suggested by the good book. Aren't we sort of interfearing with that if we prevent free will to do right or wrong?

What if someone is an atheist? Shouldn't they have the right to choose?

I have my own beliefs, but by no means am I so high and mighty, that I think everyone should think just like me or they are disagreeing with god. I figure if the good lord has a problem with someone or what they are doing he is more capable than I to judge and punish them.

I have a hard enough time keeping myself on the right path for a favorable judgement from the good lord on my day of judgement. I'm certainly not worthy to make any judgements on others in his name nor am I going to try.

I'm sure this will ruffle a few feathers. But I think using religion as a reason to make abortion illegal in a supposedly free country is very wrong. Wasn't this country founded on the basis of freedom of religion? I'm not saying you can't express your beliefs and try to convince someone to CHOOSE to think like you. But to not give someone the right to choose........ I don't agree with that at all.

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an assumtion

An assumtion is just that it assumes its ok , but is it really? people make choices " yes that is there right" but Moral Law says you will reap what you sow , that is not my opinion it is a law of nature and of God . yes it is wrong to judge and it is Very wrong to cut people down because they dont agree with you . Just remember if we judge we will also be judged. in the same maner that we judge others. Let every man work out his own soul salvation with fear and with trembling .

Cornbelt - Skillfully said. I agree 100%.

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