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Posted by Dwils on 03-31-2014 02:23 PM:

What slope to use on concrete kennels

In the process of building new kennels , I'm going to be pouring a 13X30 ft pad . Wanting to have 6 kennels 5x10 each . Want to have a wash trough at the bottom I can spray their crap into and wash it down . Was wondering if anyone else has done a similar set up and what pitch on the concrete

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Posted by primetime on 03-31-2014 03:16 PM:

Mine are 14' long and have a 4" pitch seems to work just fine.

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Posted by groworg1 on 03-31-2014 04:14 PM:

just remember the more you go the harder it will be to get kennel panels to lineup in the corners and look square unless you build your own panels allowing for slope


Posted by Dwils on 03-31-2014 04:18 PM:

I'm having custom kennels made by a fencing company in my town. I'm gonna wait to see what pitch I use on the concrete and have them build the panels accordingly

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Posted by Blue Iron on 03-31-2014 04:20 PM:

4" fall should work about perfect.

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Posted by bgs2009 on 03-31-2014 04:33 PM:

I would recommend a slick finish too. Or at least a very light broom finish. That will help alot in keeping them clean. I slick finished mine and they are very easy to spray off with low water pressure. I think it is probably easier on the dogs pads too.

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Posted by berger on 03-31-2014 04:45 PM:

Re: What slope to use on concrete kennels

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Originally posted by Dwils
In the process of building new kennels , I'm going to be pouring a 13X30 ft pad . Wanting to have 6 kennels 5x10 each . Want to have a wash trough at the bottom I can spray their crap into and wash it down . Was wondering if anyone else has done a similar set up and what pitch on the concrete



1" for every 10' is adequate fall for run off. Your length is 13' I would go 2" that is 1" for every 6.5' you will have plenty of fall for quick run off. I would also make your pad 32' wide for 1' overlap on each end of the kennel with a slight rise on each end so urine and water runs in to wash trough at bottom. This would also help if you have males at the end kennels that they don't saturate the ends with urine and having the smell problem. Medium slick finish no broom easier for washing and cleaning. jmho

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Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 03-31-2014 04:46 PM:

On concrete the rule of thumb is 1/4 inch per every foot.

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Posted by center12 on 03-31-2014 04:54 PM:

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I would recommend a slick finish too. Or at least a very light broom finish. That will help alot in keeping them clean. I slick finished mine and they are very easy to spray off with low water pressure. I think it is probably easier on the dogs pads too.


Totally agree with having a slick finish, I didn't leave mine slick and still regret the decision. Harder to wash down and near impossible to get all the poop out of the brush marks.

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Posted by jkidd1 on 03-31-2014 10:53 PM:

Daniel I'd watch goin too slick. U and me both know how these IN winters are and snow or any wetness for that matter will have the dogs slippin-n-slidin. Also pretty easy to bust ur a$$ in a pair of rubber boots.

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Posted by TBBLUE on 03-31-2014 11:43 PM:

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Drop them 1/2" per foot n finish smooth. These r 12' kennels 6" fall. I would recommend a roof over half the run too.

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Posted by Dwils on 04-01-2014 12:28 AM:

Yeah Jeremy I'm gonna think about it long and hard!! I already built an overhang .

These kennels will be on the backside of my new 60X140 ft pole shed . I had a 12X30 ft overhang built off the back and want to build the boxes inside


I want the boxes to be fairly standard but I'm thinking of making a cubby hole in the backside of their boxes or compartment where I can drop in a feed and water dish . Hopefully if it works right their body heat will keep the water from freezing in the winter ... But that's probably just wishful thinking lol

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Posted by trip on 04-01-2014 12:33 AM:

the paint on epoxy garage floor stuff from home depot works great also, keeps urine from soaking in the cement, helps a ton w/ the smell, down side is its expensive.

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Posted by Doug Terrell on 04-01-2014 12:59 AM:

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I want the boxes to be fairly standard but I'm thinking of making a cubby hole in the backside of their boxes or compartment where I can drop in a feed and water dish . Hopefully if it works right their body heat will keep the water from freezing in the winter ... But that's probably just wishful thinking lol



i seen a set up with the water and feed in the boxes this winter and it works water didnt freeze.

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Posted by BigD62 on 04-01-2014 01:09 AM:

kennel slope

I would also advise either poured concrete or concrete blocks like used in a foundation between runs then attach the pens to the concrete this keeps urine
From crossing from pen to pen and helps also if you have a chewer. Downside is extra cost. Dan


Posted by joey on 04-01-2014 03:12 AM:

Re: kennel slope

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Originally posted by BigD62
I would also advise either poured concrete or concrete blocks like used in a foundation between runs then attach the pens to the concrete this keeps urine
From crossing from pen to pen and helps also if you have a chewer. Downside is extra cost. Dan



I was going to suggest this same thing. If you have a sick dog it will stop fluids from running from one kennel to the next. In my opinion 1-2 inches will be plenty. When it gets slick in the winter you don't want to feel like your walking up hill. Also use PVC to drop water into each kennel with a quick connect. Use a short hose and take it in and out of each kennel with you. A long hose gets in the way when spraying them out. Just a few things I have learned through the years.

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Posted by Danny Glista on 04-01-2014 11:08 AM:

Kennel slope

My kennel is 36 feet long by 15 deep with an 8 inch slope on the 15 foot part,front to the back. I had another kennel off the end of the garage that had a 4 inch slope and 4 was not enough to have the urine run off fast enough in the summer time. If I was to build another it would be 8 inches of fall like I have now. As far as finishing the concrete,nothing but a smooth trial finish will do the job for me. I have seen the broomed finished kennels and when it comes to cleaning them, those little brush marks make for a real pain to get all the mess out of! JMO!! It works for me!!

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 04-01-2014 02:41 PM:

I agree

Mr.Glista is telling U what I know, I have built over 10 kennels in the past several years due to the position I had where I worked (K-9 Supervisor) and also help some of my friends in building theirs. Three things to keep in mind 1-I WILL GARONTEE U that U will not put enough slope or fall which ever turm U wish to use in your floor U can not get to much. 2 - DO NOT put a broom finish on the concrete trial finish only. 3 - and in my opinion U MUST seal the concrete. (keeps out odor and the poop will wash off easy). Just a thought, hope it helps. H L Meyer

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Posted by TimmM on 04-01-2014 11:15 PM:

Re: I agree

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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
Mr.Glista is telling U what I know, I have built over 10 kennels in the past several years due to the position I had where I worked (K-9 Supervisor) and also help some of my friends in building theirs. Three things to keep in mind 1-I WILL GARONTEE U that U will not put enough slope or fall which ever turm U wish to use in your floor U can not get to much. 2 - DO NOT put a broom finish on the concrete trial finish only. 3 - and in my opinion U MUST seal the concrete. (keeps out odor and the poop will wash off easy). Just a thought, hope it helps. H L Meyer


What do you seal it with ? I have a 36x13.


Posted by bgs2009 on 04-01-2014 11:34 PM:

Any high solids acrylic sealer puts on a good seal

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 04-02-2014 12:08 AM:

Yep

bgs2009 is spot on also. Acrylic is good !! BUT !! U better make sure it is clean if not it want stay. The ideal situation is as soon as it cures out then seal it, that has worked the best for me. H L Meyer

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Posted by TimmM on 04-02-2014 02:34 AM:

Well its around 7 years old. Would pressure washing getit clean enough? Do you just roll it on with a roller


Posted by bgs2009 on 04-02-2014 04:42 AM:

Pressure washing would probably be sufficient as long as there is no oils paints or other bond breaking contaminates on the floor. If you wanna clean better than the pressure washer you can use a 50% muratic acid and water mix. Just spray it on with a garden sprayer, agitate it with a brush and rinse good with clean water. Most important part about putting down a sealer is making sure your concrete is clean and very dry. Getting moisture trapped under the sealer will cause it to turn white and possibly delaminate.

A good high solids sealer rolls on best. Just like your painting with it.

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Posted by center12 on 04-02-2014 05:25 AM:

Will putting a sealer on like this help fill in the brush marks? Thanks.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 04-02-2014 12:17 PM:

bgs2009 has the answer's

At least I see it the same as he does. Nope nothing will smooth in a broom finish. Hands and knees with a piece of broken cement block and a little rubbing will solve that though, had to do that with one the first finisher just had to do it his way. H L Meyer

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