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Just a question is it me or are you seeing more and more dogs that won't hunt. By themselves I know it takes some hunting sometimes but I remember having young dogs that would leave no matter what now it semsnlikenyou have to beg a dog to go I was just qurious is the breeding cousin this or is this aND is this a product of less hunting ground. As for me personally I want a natural get gone do not touch unless I call or pull of the tree type of hound so I was gona see if I'm the no ly one noticing this

Hunting alone is more of a taught trait vs a bred in trait in my opinion.

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Originally posted by HOBO
Hunting alone is more of a taught trait vs a bred in trait in my opinion.

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Yep but coyotes sometimes make it hard on a young dog being singled out.

Actually I am seeing more dogs that WILL hunt by themselves now than I used to.

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Originally posted by Rip
Actually I am seeing more dogs that WILL hunt by themselves now than I used to.

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I keep seeing all these ads for year old dogs for sale that say they go as far as needed with company but won't leave your feet alone and that's why they're for sale. I've seen that stated in I don't know how many ads lately so this question has been on my mind as well. I always have and still believe you can't train "heart" into a dog. Sometimes it takes a little hunting for them to find it but they have to be born with it. You can get any dog to hunt alone but getting 1 to go as far as it takes is something I believe is a trait they have to be born with.

I have had dogs I had to hunt alone quite a bit before they'd start getting in there far enough to find a coon down here in thin coons where I live. I've had some that dropped in there a mile the first time I cut them alone.

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i agree with a lot of ya!! a pup when born is Breed with that desire!! from treeing/ hunting/nose/ and just down rite idiots!! you may treek it a little here and there!! but you cant change the genectics they are born with !! only way you gotta breed for what ya like!!jmo

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How do they start them if they won't hunt alone? I mean purty much everyone I know will single a pup out as soon as it can tree a coon if not sooner and if they won't hunt at that point, they are a cull. I've had some that had to be walked a few times, some that were downright aggravating to get them gone but really not that many that flat wont go. The ones that won't are done. I don't sell them, I don't give them away, I bury them. Are there really coonhunters out there in this day that don't hunt their dog alone? I cant imagine such a dog ever living to be an old dog.

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Well I'd believe it. I'm willing to wager the overwhelming majority of all living coonhounds will not satisfactorily hunt alone, for whatever reason or cause. I ain't talking only the hounds that win often, just all in general. And it's my single biggest pet peeve. I can take some hunt outta one but it's rare I can put it in them.

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Originally posted by treedog2345
Just a question is it me or are you seeing more and more dogs that won't hunt. By themselves I know it takes some hunting sometimes but I remember having young dogs that would leave no matter what now it semsnlikenyou have to beg a dog to go I was just qurious is the breeding cousin this or is this aND is this a product of less hunting ground. As for me personally I want a natural get gone do not touch unless I call or pull of the tree type of hound so I was gona see if I'm the no ly one noticing this

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I agree I'd it don't get in the country as soon as unsnap ped we aught to have a hard culling now I know some will say 500 yards is plenty and it is on buckets but I hunt wild coons o have one bucket and it is for pups then when they start they don't get the bucket but once in a while if we would cull hard we might get rid of these problems

Again if you like the dog that doesn't go that is your choice but I rem when I first got into hunting we never had a pRobles with this I have an 8 month old right now and a 3 week old pup on the way if they won't hunt they won't eat my feed good breed as they are like them as much as I do I will cull them.

So I know where a dog is that will go like you lit his butt on fire some nights and stand around on other nights. And he's by far the most talented dogs I've ever seen unsnapped. But if you cut another dog with him he'll leave ever time like he's late for a date. He's older now, but can still win. He was at the truck hunt in February this year. He won his ticket in 1 week. Wasn't hunted since the spring, and is retired now.


What I'm getting at is yes you're right they either have it or they don't. But just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean it's not there.

Yes the man I hut with has good Freind that owned a dog he sold for 800 becouse he would hunt some night and some night he wouldn't when he did he was hard to beat but the other times he would stay at your feet he finally got him to go with a little cox ing but he sold him becouse of it this same dog won the ukc world so I know it doesn't mean that they don't have it to tree co ok ns I just want the drive

Yes the man I hut with has good Freind that owned a dog he sold for 800 becouse he would hunt some night and some night he wouldn't when he did he was hard to beat but the other times he would stay at your feet he finally got him to go with a little cox ing but he sold him becouse of it this same dog won the ukc world so I know it doesn't mean that they don't have it to tree co ok ns I just want the drive

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Originally posted by novicane65
So I know where a dog is that will go like you lit his butt on fire some nights and stand around on other nights. And he's by far the most talented dogs I've ever seen unsnapped. But if you cut another dog with him he'll leave ever time like he's late for a date. He's older now, but can still win. He was at the truck hunt in February this year. He won his ticket in 1 week. Wasn't hunted since the spring, and is retired now.


What I'm getting at is yes you're right they either have it or they don't. But just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean it's not there.

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Originally posted by JOSH VAUGHN
That's something I don't recall seeing in a fog except for some that had a "handle" put on them. They had been trained to follow their owner/handler without a lead hooked to them. Wipeout Willie was one of the harder hunting, coon teeing dogs Ive drawn out with. I watched him come way too close to being scratched for not hunting in the handler shoot out when he won his first truck. I drew him in the semi finals and he had first and first on 2 coons in the first half hour. Peanut went to cut him off that second tree and Willie thought peanut wanted him to follow us out like he had been trained to do. I remember around 13 min going by before he finally slipped off and broke the 15. It was a very close call.

I'm not saying that's why the dog you mentioned doesn't hunt good sometimes as I don't know the dog but that's not something I've seen in any other case that I can remember. It seems most big hunting dogs will go hard every time you cut them.

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Originally posted by novicane65
He was trained to walk out without the lead. But this dog had the 15 put on him at the truck hunt. And won his early cast. The. Late round just wasn't meant to be. Dog got hung up in vines in the river, paddling his guts out and going under water. My buddy withdrew, and we have some great stories from that week. Up until the river thing he had a great chance to win and be in the finals. I hunted this dog for 3 weeks before the truck. Seen him look very common to great. He's got more talent than most at treeing coon. All depends on this dogs mood to go hunting or just stand around.

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Yes the one I mentioned that won the world is a coondog by far they say I never hunted with this dog before he sold him but they say when he is right he is right and must be won the world but they also said when he was in a mood he would stand and look at you they said he is moody as an old lady

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Originally posted by JOSH VAUGHN
That's crazy. Sounds like she could be a really big winner if he took a notion to give it 100% all the time.

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I guess it just shows even the best have a fault somewhere I know mine sure does have them

Yep I can agree there. I am pretty easy to please for the most part. I like to see coon in the trees. I prefer a bigger hunting dog, that hunts fast. Has good track speed. Has a good mouth.

I don't think it should be too hard to find but seems to be harder to find the ones that hunt fast, and go until they find one than any other trait.

Novicane65, the dog you are talking about, is it nowheres son?

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