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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 04-18-2011 02:51 AM:

Silent Mouth Trackdogs

As a judge what is the correct way to handle this in a hunt

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Posted by Jim Hill on 04-18-2011 02:54 AM:

Re: Silent Mouth Trackdogs

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As a judge what is the correct way to handle this in a hunt

gotta prove it first is think ,some dogs are tight on ground ,that dont make them silent

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 04-18-2011 02:57 AM:

Re: Re: Silent Mouth Trackdogs

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gotta prove it first is think ,some dogs are tight on ground ,that dont make them silent

Lol i know that i have dogs that are tight on the ground i am talking stone cold silent see the dog runnin along with the other dogs getting treed when they do being struck then tree

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Posted by Jim Hill on 04-18-2011 03:42 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Silent Mouth Trackdogs

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Lol i know that i have dogs that are tight on the ground i am talking stone cold silent see the dog runnin along with the other dogs getting treed when they do being struck then tree

oh ya ive seen a few like that too,just hard to prove sometimes

Posted by justin tumbleso on 04-18-2011 05:30 PM:

If they're silent and covering yours, you should have no trouble beating them.

Silent Cover Dog: Strike for 25, tree for 75 = 100

Open Dog: Strike for 50, 75 or 100, tree for 125 = Min 175

Though rarely are dogs scratched for being silent.

Give us more details of this cast.

Who won the cast?

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Posted by Rocketman55 on 04-19-2011 01:40 AM:

It is my opinion that we should incorporate a (3 strike clause).

If they fall treed without striking on the first drop they may be silent.

If they fall treed again on the 2nd drop, they are probably silent.

If they fall treed without opening on the 3rd drop, they are silent and should be scratched.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-19-2011 02:02 AM:

Pitch em in there while all the babblers are babbling!!!! They will be making so much noise. Want nobody no any difference

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Posted by l.lyle on 04-19-2011 02:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rocketman55
It is my opinion that we should incorporate a (3 strike clause).

If they fall treed without striking on the first drop they may be silent.

If they fall treed again on the 2nd drop, they are probably silent.

If they fall treed without opening on the 3rd drop, they are silent and should be scratched.

What do you mean by"they fall treed"? If the cast falls treed three times without opening they are treeing layups. If a certain dog comes in and trees with a dog that has open trailed to the tree then that certain dog is not "falling treed" he is just treeing. Sounds like spliting hairs I know.

And Ga Dawg is right . 99% will figure a way to pitch him in anyway. LOL

Posted by Justin Hitchens on 04-19-2011 10:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by justin tumbleso
If they're silent and covering yours, you should have no trouble beating them.

Silent Cover Dog: Strike for 25, tree for 75 = 100

Open Dog: Strike for 50, 75 or 100, tree for 125 = Min 175

Though rarely are dogs scratched for being silent.

Give us more details of this cast.

Who won the cast?

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Good post. I think it's a pretty stupid rule anyway. We're suposed to be hunting tree dogs not foxhounds.

Posted by delta nightlife on 04-19-2011 12:46 PM:

i got one that is almost silent on a cold track and will tree them lay-ups without opening on track, but if its a warmer track you can plot her caurse threw the woods.

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Posted by procon on 04-19-2011 03:47 PM:

this has been on my mind also there are many more tighter dogs on the ground today than in the past and i think that is where most of the babbling complaints come in 3 tight dogs and 1 that opens the minute it smells a coon. well the 3 are going to say the 1 is babbling weather it is or not to get him out of the way your strike increases by 25 at the least,there are cheaters but the majority are pretty honest we should call the dogs as they perform and let the chips fall where they fall after all 1 nite hunt will not break you or make you.and i do hunt a tight mouth dog.

Posted by josh on 04-19-2011 03:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by procon
this has been on my mind also there are many more tighter dogs on the ground today than in the past

Really?

Im curious how old you are to form that opinion?

Posted by Rocketman55 on 04-19-2011 04:01 PM:

I'm not hunting foxhounds, nor am I hunting cur's. But I am hunting treehounds, which are required to open on track as well as tree on the tree.

Posted by Dwils on 04-19-2011 04:38 PM:

dogs today put way too much mouth on the ground in my opinion.

I like a tightmouth dog.

....one more thing. the Rule that scratches the silent dog is the stupidest rule in the book. If a dog is getting (usually 3rd to 4th) strike and still treeing enough coons to beat the 1st or 2nd strike dogs then i guess the other dogs just arent coondog enough.

theres even been a couple win the world hunt that just barely say anything

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Posted by procon on 04-19-2011 04:42 PM:

Josh I am 46 i started hunting at 8 years old.on average i think the dogs open less tree faster than when i was in my teens and early 20's in my mid 30's is when i seen a change i dont usually keep a dog for a long period of time and color really dont matter but i do have my preferences.i do hunt in other states but there are thousands of dogs out there and no one can hunt with them all and it is just something that i have noticed along with some others i have talked to and some say they are the same.just a opinion some have the same thought some dont

Posted by rghnd123 on 04-19-2011 04:43 PM:

Scratched

A dog that is continuosly silent on trail is supposed to be scratched. The comment was made were not hunting foxhounds. Well were not hunting curs either. Hounds are to be open trailers.

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Posted by josh on 04-19-2011 04:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by procon
Josh I am 46 i started hunting at 8 years old.on average i think the dogs open less tree faster than when i was in my teens and early 20's in my mid 30's is when i seen a change i dont usually keep a dog for a long period of time and color really dont matter but i do have my preferences.i do hunt in other states but there are thousands of dogs out there and no one can hunt with them all and it is just something that i have noticed along with some others i have talked to and some say they are the same.just a opinion some have the same thought some dont

Your a little older than me...The way I see it Lipper made dogs open a lot more on the ground...I agree dogs tree much quicker today..Eveyone sees things differently.

Posted by Jim Hill on 04-19-2011 04:53 PM:

when im killing coon ill take a silent dog over a open dog any day of the week

Posted by Jason smith on 04-19-2011 05:01 PM:

If I judge you will never see me scratch a silent dog unless the guy is striking the dog in when he shouldn't be. What's the harm otherwise unless you just get mad because you got beat.

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Posted by rghnd123 on 04-19-2011 05:09 PM:

rules

I see folks on here stating the way rules are written and how they follow them. This is a rule also. People like a silent dog because the cann slip in and get under a coon by themselves. But hounds are to be open trailers.

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Posted by Jim Hill on 04-19-2011 05:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason smith
If I judge you will never see me scratch a silent dog unless the guy is striking the dog in when he shouldn't be. What's the harm otherwise unless you just get mad because you got beat.

cause its against the rules is why,they must open on trail , now hide hunting silent is better

Posted by justin tumbleso on 04-19-2011 05:32 PM:

Jason:

I feel the exact same way as you do. This is the point I was hinting at in my post above.

If I draw silent dogs and I can't beat them, it's time to examine whats on the end of my lead strap.

Also, how does one define silient? If a dog barks once on the trail, can we define him as an open trailer? Do we have a set number of barks and a distance this hound should run a trail before treeing? Now this opens up another can of worms.

I've drawn several tight mouth hounds (silent) but have never thought about scratching any of them, providing they are being called according to what they are doing.

I seen several try to have dogs scratched for being silent, but usually it comes from someone who is down in the cast and the only way to win would be get rid of the tight mouthed dog. If this is the case, isn't this a type of handler misconduct?

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Posted by runnin rebels on 04-19-2011 06:36 PM:

rules are rules...they say to scratch a dog for being silent they also say scratch a dog for not attempting to hunt. My own opinion is if I cant beat either of those types by allowing them to hunt I should look at the end of my lead. but if I don't scratch them as the rules say then I might as well plus den trees.

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Posted by Rip on 04-19-2011 06:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by justin tumbleso
Jason:

I feel the exact same way as you do. This is the point I was hinting at in my post above.

If I draw silent dogs and I can't beat them, it's time to examine whats on the end of my lead strap.

Also, how does one define silient? If a dog barks once on the trail, can we define him as an open trailer? Do we have a set number of barks and a distance this hound should run a trail before treeing? Now this opens up another can of worms.

I've drawn several tight mouth hounds (silent) but have never thought about scratching any of them, providing they are being called according to what they are doing.

I seen several try to have dogs scratched for being silent, but usually it comes from someone who is down in the cast and the only way to win would be get rid of the tight mouthed dog. If this is the case, isn't this a type of handler misconduct?

Justin, the problem is knowingly not scratching a silent dog (I disagree with you there is a HUGE difference between tight mouthed and silent) is the same as plussing a possum. It is knowingly and activly violating the rules.

I have never been beat by a silent dog and agree that it is a disadvantage but it doesn't matter what I think about it. All that matters is the rules and by rule you have to scratch a dog for being silent.

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Posted by MikeR on 04-19-2011 06:45 PM:

this has been on my mind also there are many more tighter dogs on the ground today than in the past

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Originally posted by josh
Really?

Im curious how old you are to form that opinion?

I'm 55 have been hunting coon hounds and bear hounds for 32 years. I'd definately agree that there are a LOT more tight mouthed dogs today compared to 20 years ago.

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