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Correct him or not ??????

My year and a half old male is slick treein. I ran him with a straight up track dog up till a couple weeks ago. She would burn the track down but wouldnt hold a tree good and thats where he would step in. Well she died and he can run a track pretty good on his own but hes just pullin up to early. I try to pull him off and circle the tree with him but its hard to get his mind off that tree cause man he really loves to tree and can doit beutifully if he could get under the meat. Im scared to switch him or beat him to much cause thats what I was doin to break him off possums and It worked he dont tree possums no more, but I dont want him to think hes supposed to quit treein all together. I no its an age old question probably but some help would be appreciated.

Well only you know the dog and what he can handle and if he knows what he is supposed to do then pull him off and get him going with a little help.If he is a treeing fool then you probably won't hurt him at all with a little switching(not with a big log, but a little switch LOL) After a few trees i would call it a night and lay him up for a night or 2. also if he does good for you call it a night and let him think about what a good job he has done. This time of year is tough on a young dog with the coon breeding and tapping. Just my own opinion but i'm sure you'll get alot of good and bad ideas from other more knowledgeable people then me.

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If it was mine I'd switch him and send him on..Wat I look at it..So what if it does ruin one..What have you got but a slick treeing dog..The way you describe him loving to tree..I'd bet money you want ruin him.

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Shock collar heard this from a pup trainer today put that shock collar on him when he trees make sure there is no fur no holes HAS TO BE SLICK. Then if there's no fur shock him move him on repeat until he gets under fur and shoot it out and keep doing that then no more slicks

If you are afraid to correct your dog at the tree, then you will have to learn to be satfied with empty trees because he isn't ever going to quitting pulling up empty if there is no reason not to. If a slick treeing dog is ruined by being corrected at the tree, what have you lost? Nothing but a slicktreeing dog which means you didn't lose much.

I get the feeling you are hoping this fault will just go away on it's own. It might but it prolly won't.

Yea I dont think im gonna stop him from treein but I just dont want to make a mistake with him. He has potential to be one hellacious hound if he can get accurate. Ive just been attributin it to bein a young hound in his first season on his own. When I started huntin the guy that got me started had a 2 year old english that we hunted 3 to 4 nights a week and killed three coons all year long. Next season he treed one the first night and every tree after that either had a coon or a hole and I would bet money on it. I think he was a special case though. He sat up all summer long after slick treein all season and from the get go the next season he was 100 %. Kinda hopin thats what will happen with mine but I highly doubt it lol.

use a switch

and every tree get harder on him becals he will onley quite it if he has good reason to quit treeing to fast then if all falls push the button 4 a few nights make him not wount to tree becals you dont have nothing to loose but trees and if you are like me i can see plenty trees just looking out my windows at home.no dog learns in the kinnel or every bodey would have a coon dog

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I have seen dogs figure it out on their own... One thing you have to think about is what someone has already said... the coons are rutting... that can be tough on some experienced dogs, especially a puppy. Be patient and do what you feel the dog needs. If you think there is a tiny possibility the coon could be there just lead him away. If there is no way the coon could be there just run him off... He'll either figure it out or he won't. You just don't want to confuse him.

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Originally posted by Velocity
Well only you know the dog and what he can handle and if he knows what he is supposed to do then pull him off and get him going with a little help.If he is a treeing fool then you probably won't hurt him at all with a little switching(not with a big log, but a little switch LOL) After a few trees i would call it a night and lay him up for a night or 2. also if he does good for you call it a night and let him think about what a good job he has done. This time of year is tough on a young dog with the coon breeding and tapping. Just my own opinion but i'm sure you'll get alot of good and bad ideas from other more knowledgeable people then me.

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does he ever work off a tree by himself?
i like the old rule 2 trees in 1 night its history

togh right now to tree with coon now ruttin and full moon i dont know if it works but i heard that if u hunt close to home when he trees and there is no coon at all no hole or any chance of coon then walk off leve him treeing hel come in eventualy i never had to try it but if i did it id hunt super close to home

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Originally posted by A Dowell
togh right now to tree with coon now ruttin and full moon i dont know if it works but i heard that if u hunt close to home when he trees and there is no coon at all no hole or any chance of coon then walk off leve him treeing hel come in eventualy i never had to try it but if i did it id hunt super close to home

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set hm up,trap a coon turn it loose and give it about 5 mins,if he trees and the coon is there make a HUGE deal about it pet him up good ,so this a few times see if it helps, but like the others said a stick is a great tool and theres lots in the woods

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I took him tonight and he nailed em. Two trees, two coons. Both times about half way through the track I heard him bawl twice and then stop. He usually has a three bawl locate. He went on with the track and the next time he locked it down and had the meat. He may not do it tomorrow night but the second one was a great big boar that gave him a pretty good run.

Oh yea hjames, a guy I went with the other night said trap one and cut his toe nails off so he couldnt climb. lol. I said ok ill catch one and you can cut his toe nails off, he didnt say much lol.

If he is doing it on his own LEAVE those caged and trapped coon alone....Other then getting a PUPPY started they have caused me nothing but a headache. If he will tree a coon on his own you are way ahead of a caged coon in my own opinion... Sounds like he had a good night... I just got in tonight and the only thing we saw any tracks of were Deer and Fox....I guess the coon holed up for a day or 2 after this little bit of snow we got...

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Originally posted by rabbitman85
I took him tonight and he nailed em. Two trees, two coons. Both times about half way through the track I heard him bawl twice and then stop. He usually has a three bawl locate. He went on with the track and the next time he locked it down and had the meat. He may not do it tomorrow night but the second one was a great big boar that gave him a pretty good run.

Oh yea hjames, a guy I went with the other night said trap one and cut his toe nails off so he couldnt climb. lol. I said ok ill catch one and you can cut his toe nails off, he didnt say much lol.

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I aint even gonna try it once. My uncle use to tell me stories about holdin them down and puttin dog collars on them so they could lead them through the woods for their pups. Not me ive seen what a coon can do to a dogs head and that aint what I want to happen to my hands lol.

use to think my dogs slick treed alot, seemed like atleast 9 out of 10 were slick! couldn't catch an eye for nothing! use to bust his and her ass alot! the more i did it the more they tried harder! tree after tree, nothing nothing nothing! 1 out of 4 maybe 5 trees held the meat! otherwise, nothing and aggrivated! i got this cass creek predator calling machine and it has coon puppies in distress sounds on it! can't see the coon, pull this out and hit the button! low and behold, started seeing 10 for 10, bottom line, just cuz ya can't see them don't mean they aren't there! i almost ruined my dogs cuz of this! i have shot atleast 75 coon because of this that i normally would never have seen! coon stretch out on a limb, you can't see them, give them this and they look at ya! uh oh eyeballs! there is the coon! hope this helps tremendously! this is stevie's secret! shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh keep this to yourself, but share it with your best coonhunting buddies!

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I took him last night. First was a hollow tree that another dog was treed on that we didnt realize was in there and he just went to her, second was a slick I scolded him leashed him up walked him in a little deaper and he started winding and I let him go and he went in about 30 feet and locked down with the coon. Third I cant make a call on. We were in stuff so thick we had to crawl to get through it. When we got to the tree I couldnt see up through the canopy.

I have two thoughts:
1) make sure the tree is really slick. if there's any possibility there's a coon there, give him the benefit of the doubt. If you start switching him when there's a coon there, you will mess him up.
2) if you think there was a coon there recently, or it just tapped the tree, then when you take him off the tree (switch or not depending on how bad you think the mistake was), walk a circle around it and see if he can pick up the coon's trail again. If he shows signs of smelling where the coon left from, put him back on the same track. That way he gets the idea that he's supposed to finish the track, not pull up short wherever the coon tapped.

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Had the same prob. Swicth em good tell they go on. mine hasnt missed one in two weeks. SHE WAS SLICKTREEN IDOT BEFORE SEASON. 2 FIRST & 80 DOLLARS WON ON HER THIS WINTER

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I'd pull him off a short ways and re-cut him, if he goes back correct him pull him off again and re-cut him. Hes got to learn once you pull him off its time to coninue on the track & get under the meat.

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This may sound crazy to you but it works.Take a dead coon and drag it mark trees then drop it 5 to 10 feet off tree go on with it this way you dont have any problem knowing every step the coon made.You can teach him to check trees this way you can correct him lightly and he will learn to check those trees.The problem with dogs now is breed them to fit the hunts and it dont take a coon to win if it did we would breed different.

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Originally posted by rabbitman85
I took him last night. First was a hollow tree that another dog was treed on that we didnt realize was in there and he just went to her, second was a slick I scolded him leashed him up walked him in a little deaper and he started winding and I let him go and he went in about 30 feet and locked down with the coon. Third I cant make a call on. We were in stuff so thick we had to crawl to get through it. When we got to the tree I couldnt see up through the canopy.

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Some decent advice here, on this post.

Have had a few that i've corrected using Okiedawgs lead them off tree and recast idea. Have had a couple that flat needed theyre guts stomped out and worked okay, but those boys are right, a young hound with boars rutting, tapping trees, boars checking dens can play havoc on a hound of that tree caliber.

One thing I have always thought is alot of guys will spend an awful lot of time at a tree that is empty and that dog is treeing his butt off and your circling it for 10-20 minutes praying you see a coon. I like to get in check it fast if I think its empty, corrections begin. Leaves are off now, sure there are exceptions, but if you dont find a coon fairly reasonbly fast, the dogs empty or you cant see it.

A good smart hound, will overcome alot of our handling mistakes. We are human and they are just dogs, one if not both of us is going to be wrong at some point in the training process.

Now for further info on slick treeing, go to the thread "Do papers make the dog" read all of it and decide for yourself.

Okiedawg, your always talkin bout coyotes killin dogs, They must be some bad hombres cause some of my 35 lb. gyps can dispatch a decent sized one by themselves.