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Posted by elvis on 07-31-2008 09:15 PM:

Gas prices and coonhunting.

Haveing recently been layed off and jobs being scarce, I am able to hunt every nite all nite, so I thought maybe id take in a dog to get ready for the world hunt for someone.

After doing a little figureing on how much I need to charge someone to be sure im makeing a little bit of grocery money, I about fell out of my chair.

My old truck gets 13 mpg and at 4.00 a gallon i think id be very lucky to be able to hunt on 20 bucks worth of gas a nite.
Hunting one right ,to me means 5 nites a week minimum.
so now im looking at 400 per mnth in gas alone.

how much should a guy figure it costs for feed and equipment? lights,bulbs,boots,bibs,shells,tracking system,skeeter dope....etc.
25 bucks a week?

ok,now we are at 500 per mnth. what is a fellers time worth?
at 5 hrs a nite 5 nites a week we have 100 hrs a mnth of actuall hunt time in the dog. I cant do it for nothing, but id say very few people would be willing to even cover my expenses to hunt a dog for them.

These gas prices are killing us all.

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 07-31-2008 09:27 PM:

If I had to drive 65 miles a night to hunt there is no way I could afford it either.

You are right there are not many out there that could afford to pay you to hunt a dog, but the reality is, you only need one.

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 07-31-2008 09:27 PM:

must be why most take in four dogs a month, one to cover expenses and the other three for family living!!

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 07-31-2008 09:31 PM:

You just need to find the person that realizes that if they hunt the dog right the "expenses" part is really null and void since they would be paying that amount out anyway.

Develop a fee that you charge to hunt the dog with "expenses" being extra. We live in a $4.00 a gallon world, people need to realize that a business cannot just eat that expense.

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Posted by elvis on 07-31-2008 09:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
must be why most take in four dogs a month, one to cover expenses and the other three for family living!!

yep your prolly right.
the only problem is im not good enough to hunt more than 1 and do it right.
my world hunt hopefull came into heat and will be bred, so that puts a bit of a hitch in our getalong.
have you got one qualified? how far is the finals from you?

Posted by Dan Dogs on 07-31-2008 09:41 PM:

i have only hunted in one rqe, and didn't get in. there are two rqe's coming up but sassy came in heat right after the heartland classic. don't think she will be out by the next one, but maybe out by brooklyn's rqe. the zone is 2hrs from me and the finals are 45min. from me.

Posted by JimF on 07-31-2008 11:12 PM:

Marv call Rev.M. He may need someone to hunt Hawk in the World. He will spend the money on a quallity handler/hunter like yourself. I know if I could aford to pay you to hunt my dog and handle her in the world she would be on her way. It is one heck of a ride from PA to IL if I even get that far.Jim

Posted by Maniac on 07-31-2008 11:21 PM:

Re: Gas prices and coonhunting.

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
Haveing recently been layed off and jobs being scarce, I am able to hunt every nite all nite, so I thought maybe id take in a dog to get ready for the world hunt for someone.

After doing a little figureing on how much I need to charge someone to be sure im makeing a little bit of grocery money, I about fell out of my chair.

My old truck gets 13 mpg and at 4.00 a gallon i think id be very lucky to be able to hunt on 20 bucks worth of gas a nite.
Hunting one right ,to me means 5 nites a week minimum.
so now im looking at 400 per mnth in gas alone.

how much should a guy figure it costs for feed and equipment? lights,bulbs,boots,bibs,shells,tracking system,skeeter dope....etc.
25 bucks a week?

ok,now we are at 500 per mnth. what is a fellers time worth?
at 5 hrs a nite 5 nites a week we have 100 hrs a mnth of actuall hunt time in the dog. I cant do it for nothing, but id say very few people would be willing to even cover my expenses to hunt a dog for them.

These gas prices are killing us all.

I KNOW SOME WHO WILL PAY YOU A STEAK DINNER!!!! LOL

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 07-31-2008 11:53 PM:

Re: Re: Gas prices and coonhunting.

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
I KNOW SOME WHO WILL PAY YOU A STEAK DINNER!!!! LOL

Dang, i could afford that!!!lol

Posted by Wmagicwebb on 08-01-2008 02:07 AM:

is it black angus ? they are pretty tasty

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Posted by coonsmen on 08-01-2008 02:13 AM:

0h boy Maniac your opening a whole new can of workms on that one..lol

Posted by Maniac on 08-01-2008 02:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by coonsmen
0h boy Maniac your opening a whole new can of workms on that one..lol

LET THE WORMS COME OUT!!!!

Posted by dags on 08-01-2008 03:50 AM:

sure wish i could afford to send one or 2 over to u E then i might have a hound til i got them back and messed them up LOL

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Posted by Hoosier on 08-01-2008 01:49 PM:

Good post Elvis,

I've been thinking the same thing....HOW LONG CAN I AFFORD TO HUNT?

What is this going to do to the price of dogs? If you buy a pup for $ 300. Feed it for 18 months, haul it hunting for 8-10 months, pay it up in all kennel clubs, vet bills, etc. how much is this dog worth if it will do a nice job of treeing a coon?

How much do you have in it?

In the past I didn't think twice of driving 200 miles 1 way to pick up a pup, now that trip will cost me $ 100 and I won't do it!

Posted by Larry Atherton on 08-01-2008 03:42 PM:

Hoosier,

If it is important to you, you will find a way.

Elvis,

Why do you need a truck that gets 13 mpg?

THe little Ford Rangers advertise 27 mpg. Buy an old beater Ford Ranger with a 4-cylinder and stick shift. Old trucks can sometimes be boughten for a mere $1,000.00. Heck, back in the day coon hunters didn't hunt out of trucks. They hunted out of cars. The trunk was the dog box.

If you spend $20.00/ night to hunt 5 nights/ week for a year, your gas expenses alone are $5,200.00. Buy a old beater that gets 25 that should cut the expense in 1/2 plus the $1,000.00 to buy and you are saving $1,600.00.

Buy an old beater Chevette and load the dogs in the hatch back, and ya could probably save even more.

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 08-01-2008 03:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Atherton
Buy an old beater Chevette and load the dogs in the hatch back, and ya could probably save even more.

A word of advice.........just make sure you got a dead broke dog............

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 08-01-2008 04:29 PM:

Briar,

LOL, that reminds me of a story!

Back in about 1975 or 1976, I had a guy just drop a free dog off at my house. He was a stout built Treeing Tenessee Brindle. He looked like he would rather bite ya than sniff ya, but he was actually as mellow as they came.

Well, I had this ole Brindle dog named Bomber and a redbone named Captain. I had pictured our success of hunting the big timber north along the Ausable River in the Huron National Forest treeing big fat northern coons as easy as eating my grandmothers pie. Man were we going to tree a bunch of coons!!!!

My coon hunting vehicle of that time was a 1967 Pontiac Bonneville Stationwagon. This vehicle could only be described as a big huge boat.

My first drop of the night was calculated to a spot that had more coon sign than an old oak has acorns. It was along the high bank of the Ausable near a stairway with 208 steps down to the river's edge. The dogs and me made our way down the steep bank only to have the dogs head straight back up the hill. They were opening pretty good so the climb didn't seem to bad. By the time I hit the top of the ridge the sweat was stinging my eyes.

Wait a minute there in the middle of the two track was something dark, but I couldn't quite make it out until I rubbed the sweat back. It was Bomber standing there proudly wagging his tail with a black and white critter in his mouth. He was so proud! He then took his prize and shock it exactly 3 times and then threw it up in the air. He then froze with his eyes frozen on his new found toy. The second the critter moved he would grab it again and repeat the entire scenario.

Memory fails me to this day to realize just how many times that scene was repeated, but I am purty sure that ole skunk didn't have a drop of juice left. That sure cut our hunt fast!

Now here I am several miles from the cabin, my spirits deflated like a cheap grocery store blow up toy with one very proud and fragrant dog. I couldn't put those two dogs into the stationwagon so I was left with only one option. We had to walk back to the cabin.

It took quite some time to make the journey as I am sure my feet were dragging because I really wasn't looking forward to facing my dad. Man, I didn't even get close to the cabin and my father came flying out of there yelling. He made me strip right there! So here I am the triumphet hunter standing there with my free hound in my underware watching my dad burn my clothes.

To this day my dad never talks about my first big coon hunt in the northern woods of Michigan. He did say later my decision to walk home probably saved my life. Oh ya I was carrying his gun at the time ... he has neverquite forgave me for that one.

Briar, I didn't say there couldn't be challenges.

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Posted by tsizemore on 08-01-2008 04:45 PM:

GAS

just thimk what us montana cooners are going thru i had to cut to 3 nights a week

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 08-01-2008 05:16 PM:

Great story Larry!!!! I really enjoyed it. I had a couple close calls last year hunting out of my little car but luckily all they were was close calls.

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Posted by mudman on 08-01-2008 07:07 PM:

get ya one of these Elvis
iam haveing a dog box made for it

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Posted by elvis on 08-01-2008 07:57 PM:

Larry,
better yet, hire me to hunt your dog and save yourself some money by buying me a new ford ranger. LOL

that is whats happening all across this country, everyone is just passing the added expense of higher fuel prices on down to us, the end user/consumer.
dont know if its true or not but was told that since the high gas prices have forced the people of indiana to buy less of it, the state is loseing millions in gas tax revenue and is considering raising the fuel tax to offset the lower demand. LOL

I have hunted off foot, bicycle,out of horse drawn vehicles, ford tractors, cars, station wagons, vans, mini vans, and all sorts of trucks. The horse issnt too cheap anymore either with hay and grain at all time highs.

I have found I save nothing buying $1000 trucks because they end up nickel and dimeing away anything i might save on fuel, on alternators,fuel pumps,starters and everything else. I am hopeful that this jalopy im driveing now will hold up without too much expense thru one more set of tires. And its hard to buy a new one without a job. And i absolutely hate that 7 letter cuss word "payment".

Posted by Richard Nethery on 08-01-2008 08:18 PM:

Why would a person, in their right mind want someone else to hunt their dogs?

There isnt a person on earth that I would trust with my dogs, besides me.

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Posted by berger on 08-01-2008 08:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis

dont know if its true or not but was told that since the high gas prices have forced the people of indiana to buy less of it, the state is loseing millions in gas tax revenue and is considering raising the fuel tax to offset the lower demand. LOL

Yes the tax will be going up within the next 2 years by atleast 30%. Wait and see!!!
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Posted by blueticker on 08-01-2008 08:22 PM:

7 to 8 hundred don't seem out of line. Option two, record your miles @ .52 cents per mile and have them pay you $400 for kennel and hunting. I have always refussed to hunt anything but my own. I don't want it to seem like a job that I have to do.

Posted by blueticker on 08-01-2008 08:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Nethery
Why would a person, in their right mind want someone else to hunt their dogs?

There isnt a person on earth that I would trust with my dogs, besides me.

THEY LIKE TO WIN, they pay more taxes than five of the guys hunting their dogs make, if one gets kilt they go buy anouther, their wife doesn't like them out at night and they can't afford a divorse or they may have several handlers on the payroll at one time.

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