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Posted by lking on 06-20-2017 03:41 PM:

Differences within a litter

I was pondering this at 5am this morning when I turned some dogs loose. Was nice and quiet and I watched my 2 walker sisters take off and it got me to thinking....

I know not all dogs are created equal within a litter. Some litters are much more uniform than others. These 2 walkers of mine couldn't be more different. One is short coupled, the other lanky. One has a ton of track and works it slow and methodically, the other lacks a lot of track but has a ton of tree. One has a pure hatred of coon, the other chooses often not to fight. One is a people person, the other could care less if she was ever petted.

I guess, in retrospect, it's the same with siblings. Not all turn out the same. Just wondering if anyone has seen such a drastic difference in litter mates?

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Posted by CHEWBACH on 06-20-2017 04:11 PM:

yep

Sure do!! and I cull the ones I don't think I would like and keep ones! that has what I think! will make what I like!! well I have been wrong !! but ya gotta have some sort of standards in what ya want in a dog !!from hunt/ nose/tracking ability and treeing and beyond!!jmo

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Posted by JOSH VAUGHN on 06-20-2017 04:29 PM:

Re: Differences within a litter

quote:
Originally posted by lking
I was pondering this at 5am this morning when I turned some dogs loose. Was nice and quiet and I watched my 2 walker sisters take off and it got me to thinking....

I know not all dogs are created equal within a litter. Some litters are much more uniform than others. These 2 walkers of mine couldn't be more different. One is short coupled, the other lanky. One has a ton of track and works it slow and methodically, the other lacks a lot of track but has a ton of tree. One has a pure hatred of coon, the other chooses often not to fight. One is a people person, the other could care less if she was ever petted.

I guess, in retrospect, it's the same with siblings. Not all turn out the same. Just wondering if anyone has seen such a drastic difference in litter mates?

Just curious, how do they look in comparison to each other? Do they look like each other?

Posted by lking on 06-20-2017 04:49 PM:

Look

Nope. Don't really resemble one another all that much. Saddle backed and marked up very similar, but one tall and lanky and one short and stocky.

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Posted by JOSH VAUGHN on 06-20-2017 04:53 PM:

I asked because Ive seen similar pups before. Didn't look at all alike and didn't hunt or sound at all alike.

Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 06-20-2017 06:07 PM:

I am seeing that now in 4 pups from a litter. They are like 11 months old and i can see the mothers traits in them and the dads. Just they all have them combined a little different. Funny the thoughts i had about them when they were three weeks old are pretty much the same now. Two are mine and two are a friends. I have one that is the best looking pup but i disliked him when he was three weeks old and he hasnt done anything to change my mind. He might end up in the deer pack lol

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 06-20-2017 06:40 PM:

I just raised a litter of 2 that turned a year old. Other than similar color, they were built very opposite of each other.

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Posted by HOBO on 06-20-2017 11:05 PM:

Re: .

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i disliked him when he was three weeks old and he hasnt done anything to change my mind. He might end up in the deer pack lol

Bruce WHY would you keep a pup you didn't like at 3 weeks old?????

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 06-21-2017 12:44 AM:

He was the best looking one lol.

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Posted by HOBO on 06-21-2017 12:58 AM:

LOL

If I don't like them they don't stay, no matter how PURDY they are.

Posted by lking on 06-21-2017 01:09 AM:

Bruce

I'm with Bruce on this one. Got to at least keep a good looker around for a year to see its worth. If things don't pan out, lots of families looking for a good looker!

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Posted by HOBO on 06-21-2017 01:51 AM:

I will keep the looker 99.9% of the time.... BUT if for some reason I don't like it I aint keeping it I don't care how nice it looks.

Posted by warn on 06-21-2017 01:55 AM:

huh, now thats some kinda attitude Hobo, Mrs. Hobo kept you with all your short comings

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Posted by HOBO on 06-21-2017 02:25 AM:

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Originally posted by warn
huh, now thats some kinda attitude Hobo, Mrs. Hobo kept you with all your short comings

HUH????????????????? Wait a min!!!!!!!

I have short comings????

FIRST I HEARD OF THIS!!!!!!

Posted by CHEWBACH on 06-21-2017 02:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
I will keep the looker 99.9% of the time.... BUT if for some reason I don't like it I aint keeping it I don't care how nice it looks.

this sounds like me when I was a young ladd dang I have been thru a lot!!

found a keeper not a beauty but a keeper!! she feels the same!! I HOPE!!lol

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Posted by CHEWBACH on 06-21-2017 02:33 AM:

lol

HOBO !! you got me off track!!lol

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Posted by warn on 06-21-2017 01:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
HUH????????????????? Wait a min!!!!!!!

I have short comings????

FIRST I HEARD OF THIS!!!!!!

You know how I hate to burst your bubble Hobo but yes you have 1 or 2 short comings!!!!!!!!

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Posted by lking on 06-21-2017 01:40 PM:

spin

So let me spin it this way.... Is the ultimate goal in raising a litter "uniformity"? Is the success of a litter dependent upon all pups looking, hunting, and acting similar? Just some food for thought....

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 06-21-2017 03:08 PM:

There is a big difference in PUPs and comparing PUPS and the Grown Dogs from a litter. There can be some pups that favor the mom and some favor the father. You may like some of the actions you see in one pup more than another. When they are finished out you have a totally different ballgame. Like the pups I have that I never favored, (Liked) with some woods experience they sometimes turn out to have the best ability or equal ability to the other dogs in the litter. Yes I look for uniformity in the finished product of a litter. Just them pups can show a variety of ways getting there.

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Posted by joey on 06-21-2017 03:19 PM:

We recently had threads on here about selective breeding, I stated that basically there is a lot of luck involved and if you pair up the correct sire and dam it will make someone look like they know what they are doing. We cant even get uniformity out of the same littler. Why would we think we could take two dogs that have never been matched up and know what we are going to get? Millions of variables involved, if we get 1 out of 10 that makes it big in a litter it was successful, what about the 9 that didn't?

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Posted by imacorgimom on 06-21-2017 03:41 PM:

Would line breeding create uniformity in abilities? It certainly does in appearance.

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Posted by davtay_jr on 06-21-2017 03:45 PM:

Litters

Success of a litter also lies in the eyes of the beholder. Some may judge success on titles. Others on just having an enjoyable hound to pleasure hunt with. These are just two examples.

Posted by HOBO on 06-21-2017 04:07 PM:

To me a successful litter is one where the majority of owners are happy with the finished product. Be it a hound they can run in the hunts and win with, one they can tree a coon with or one they can brag up around all of their buddies.

Everyone bases success from different measuring systems.

One thing that I know for sure is IF you aren't producing pups that the buyers aren't happy with you won't be in the breeding business very long.

Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 06-21-2017 09:40 PM:

This wheel is round and it just keeps coming back..... LOL
Linebreeding What does the rest of the dog world do? Line breed, What did the Old Timers do ? Line breed
OK, OK I'm done..........

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Posted by joey on 06-21-2017 10:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR
This wheel is round and it just keeps coming back..... LOL
Linebreeding What does the rest of the dog world do? Line breed, What did the Old Timers do ? Line breed
OK, OK I'm done..........

How close do the common ancestors need to be for you to consider it line breeding?

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