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Posted by JPBlack on 08-05-2013 09:06 PM:

Choppin a tree

How many of ya will chop a tree in winter, my ol mentor used to say it was a special bonding time between us and the dog, that the sound of the ax done something to the pups and seemed to believe it made em a bit better,I aint sure how true it is, but i will say I've chopped a many a tree, and saw a light flick on a time or two on pups, maybe he was right, maybe it was just the night for those pups to turn on, either way, a good ax is as good as a pistol

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 08-05-2013 09:24 PM:

Re: Choppin a tree

quote:
Originally posted by JPBlack
How many of ya will chop a tree in winter, my ol mentor used to say it was a special bonding time between us and the dog, that the sound of the ax done something to the pups and seemed to believe it made em a bit better,I aint sure how true it is, but i will say I've chopped a many a tree, and saw a light flick on a time or two on pups, maybe he was right, maybe it was just the night for those pups to turn on, either way, a good ax is as good as a pistol



Buy you some Tree Climbers it will save some time , has the same effect on the pup , Knockem out John

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Posted by Wes Coffman on 08-05-2013 11:13 PM:

Seems like a lot of work for nothing. Plenty of wood on the ground you can chop all day long.


Posted by JPBlack on 08-06-2013 12:09 AM:

aah, not a lot to bustin an ol den tree

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Posted by john Duemmer on 08-06-2013 12:16 AM:

I dont think your "ol mentor" was much of a sportsman. Ever consider that a chopped down den wont be a home to next years Kits?

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Posted by JPBlack on 08-06-2013 12:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I dont think your "ol mentor" was much of a sportsman. Ever consider that a chopped down den wont be a home to next years Kits?

Did you ever consider not cutting down every tree, plus if you skin the coon doubt she will have kits there next year..no body that ever knew him considered him anything but a top sportsman, from rooster pit to nite hunt

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Posted by Wes Coffman on 08-06-2013 12:41 AM:

It would be illegal in Indiana to disturb a den or place of refuge.


Posted by perry co cooner on 08-06-2013 12:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I dont think your "ol mentor" was much of a sportsman. Ever consider that a chopped down den wont be a home to next years Kits?

You just can't help yourself can you?

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Posted by garminguru on 08-06-2013 12:54 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I dont think your "ol mentor" was much of a sportsman. Ever consider that a chopped down den wont be a home to next years Kits?



I agree!


Posted by garminguru on 08-06-2013 12:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JPBlack
Did you ever consider not cutting down every tree, plus if you skin the coon doubt she will have kits there next year..no body that ever knew him considered him anything but a top sportsman, from rooster pit to nite hunt


If the coon is in a den you are probably not going to get to skin it anyway! Unless of course the hole is low to the ground or you cut the tree down!
Silliest thing I ever heard!


Posted by Dirtdevil on 08-06-2013 01:03 AM:

Tball - the ringing of an axe or the cry of a saw are the best ways to make a treedog .. or something real close.


I have , not as much now .... I have dropped jadgterriers down hollows , cut down trees , cut into hollows .. you name it .. and it does bond you and your dog more than the current Garmin generation will know.

I've shook coon out , climbed as high as I could and sawed the limb off they were on ... it sure puts the work ethic in a dog when they know the coon is important to their master .

Some stands of trees can't stand much of it , or you can nail a piece of tin over the hole .. and not every hollow is a den tree .

The line between harvesting and over-harvesting ... sportsmanship and gamesmanship .. conservationist and eco-terriorist ... they are fluid and differ for us all.


Posted by rdmedders on 08-06-2013 01:06 AM:

If you leave the coon in a den tree, you will be able too tree it again some night


Posted by Dirtdevil on 08-06-2013 01:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rdmedders
If you leave the coon in a den tree, you will be able too tree it again some night



Maybe not .. your hunting buddies might be the ones to take it ... or the road ... or coyotes ...


A healthy ecosystem or whatever ... isn't gonna be effected by taking a few coon , some areas in the corn belt produce more coon than the local WalMart has shells for these days .

The extremes of taking or not taking game are both wrong .... it's the middle ground of reason and common sense.

Just because someone says one thing ... don't mean you gotta take the defensive and go at it with them without even knowing them or their situation or context of it .


Posted by JPBlack on 08-06-2013 02:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dirtdevil
Tball - the ringing of an axe or the cry of a saw are the best ways to make a treedog .. or something real close.


I have , not as much now .... I have dropped jadgterriers down hollows , cut down trees , cut into hollows .. you name it .. and it does bond you and your dog more than the current Garmin generation will know.

I've shook coon out , climbed as high as I could and sawed the limb off they were on ... it sure puts the work ethic in a dog when they know the coon is important to their master .

Some stands of trees can't stand much of it , or you can nail a piece of tin over the hole .. and not every hollow is a den tree .

The line between harvesting and over-harvesting ... sportsmanship and gamesmanship .. conservationist and eco-terriorist ... they are fluid and differ for us all.


Thank you sir, you understand the ways of the old timers, but everyone has an opinion, I like the one i was taught as a kid by an old man who had many ways to bond with a dog most folks now days would laugh or never think twice..But untill you have fell a tree and let your pup in the hole to get that coon, you'll never understand

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Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 08-06-2013 02:13 AM:

I know a lot of the old timers used to cut holes in dens, drop smoke bombs in dens, and a lot of other really odd things to den trees when hides were really selling good. Granted a few of them burned to the ground. But dogs rarely missed, were great track dogs, and worked together. Times have changed and so have the methods but dogs seemed to work for their masters a lot better back then. I see no problem if you want to cut a tree down if you think it will help your pup.

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Posted by Tom Jones on 08-06-2013 02:56 AM:

climb it

It will fire them up just as good. I've pulled many out of a den with a forked stick twisted up in a ball of fur and wasted my time trying on many more

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Posted by hopm on 08-06-2013 04:19 AM:

I can only imagine what the "ringing sound of an ax" would do to my hunting areas. Wouldn't take but one tree dropping and I'd lose a hunting spot.

I been down the cutting, climbing,see the fight, kill'em all road and either I have a better quality of dog or I just out growed that "nothing short of killing is success "attitude. Just put mine back in the lot after he run a quick 300 yd. track and set down hammering. I let him tree a bit. Walked in, saw the coon. had a a little dawg party under the tree and came to the house. Don't think killing by whatever means would have made this evening more enjoyable for me or my dawg. And it certainly would not have made it a better performance by my dawg.


Posted by bigcreekkennels on 08-06-2013 04:56 AM:

Grandpa always said tie em behind ya and make em dodge them wood chips when ya chop one down itl make em tree harder lol...Ive climbed several..Only chopped one down

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Posted by Brian Gray on 08-06-2013 05:44 AM:

If you would do this where I am from you better like the feel of buck shot in the rear area from the land owner


Posted by JPBlack on 08-06-2013 03:21 PM:

Re: climb it

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
It will fire them up just as good. I've pulled many out of a den with a forked stick twisted up in a ball of fur and wasted my time trying on many more

Yes sir, climbed a few growing up, got my boy too now..lol... Its not like we cut every tree down guys, like I said its obvious some get it some dont, and when you hunt family or farm land, and have folks who burn wood, those 1 or 2 dens that you fall will not be wasted, we got lots of dead timber here in these foothills, most owners are ok cause its 1 less they have to drop for winter

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Posted by Surveyor on 08-06-2013 03:46 PM:

I could sure enough imagine the excitement between man and hound that chopping down a tree with the treed quarry in it would bring and say if U really feel it will help your hound, U are in a place where U can do it without land owner getting mad, are so inclined to do so and it is a small tree then chop away-far too lazy to do that myself though. BUT chopping down a den tree sure seems HIGHLY unethical to me. I have hunted the same area for my little over 30 years hunting career and still tree on the same old den trees I did 30 years ago. It is an enjoyable thing that always seems to bring back memories of some ancestor to the dog I am hunting treed on this same tree with more than likely some ancestor to the coon in the tree now. These family's of coon have used these old den trees for decades and several generations. It is their home and place of refuge and there doesn't seem to be near as many trees left to get that big and hollow anymore by current timber management techniques. For me to destroy one of these old coon houses sure wouldn't make me feel like much of a sportsman. JMO.

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Posted by rdmedders on 08-06-2013 03:53 PM:

Amen too that


Posted by steve pickett on 08-06-2013 04:53 PM:

a friend of mine carries a 2lb single bladed ax to get squirrels out of dens.first he used the back of the ax to knock on the side of the tree to see if the sq. will come out first.works good ....

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Posted by SLOBBER SLINGER on 08-06-2013 07:51 PM:

Choppin trees

After you wack that den down and ain't a coon in there,,,,,,got that pup all bug eyed and worked up. Rut Row !

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Posted by Tom Jones on 08-06-2013 08:03 PM:

lmao

its funny how everyone thinks you use the axe to chop DOWN the tree. I would get the bark knocked off and give up

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