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Posted by guyankennels on 03-21-2012 02:42 AM:

Should UKC Adopt The Majestic Breed

IF ur not forsure what im talking about its a newer breed emargin that is goin to put the track power back in the hounds
People r crossing Blood HOunds on hounds and it is working

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 03-21-2012 02:49 AM:

They aren't new and they aren't a breed , it's just a type of dog that could be any blood , any color , any cross as long as it's houndy ....

Posted by wildbill on 03-21-2012 03:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dirtdevil
They aren't new and they aren't a breed , it's just a type of dog that could be any blood , any color , any cross as long as it's houndy ....

yep,,
it would fit into a crossbred class if ukc had one...

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Posted by amazingcursouth on 03-21-2012 03:14 AM:

i just wish they would let us cur folks compete with the hounds. I will be happy to go in as a "grade" dog if they would allow it. Even though my dogs are UKC registered.

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Posted by Tim Trone on 03-21-2012 04:06 AM:

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i just wish they would let us cur folks compete with the hounds.

They do , its called a Leopard . Thats why i say let them in .

Posted by Clint Welsh on 03-22-2012 02:49 AM:

UKC mission

Our mission is to be the world's best registry of purebred dogs, to offer our customers the most efficient and creative services possible, to use our data to help our customers breed the best dogs in the world and to create a wide spectrum of performance and conformation events in which those dogs can prove their instincts and heritage.
It doesn't get any more plain than this. Registry of purebred dogs. If you want to register anything else go to a different registry. I don't have a problem with crossbreeds, I hunted alot of them. I have one right now. Call them what they are. CROSSBREEDS. Even crossing between the different coonhound breeds shouldn't be registered as any one breed. There are plenty of good traits in every breed, if you want to register them stick with your breed and quit trying to cross. By the way, I like the majestics, I just think they are more of a type than a breed.

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Posted by guyankennels on 03-22-2012 04:44 AM:

Re: UKC mission

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Our mission is to be the world's best registry of purebred dogs, to offer our customers the most efficient and creative services possible, to use our data to help our customers breed the best dogs in the world and to create a wide spectrum of performance and conformation events in which those dogs can prove their instincts and heritage.
It doesn't get any more plain than this. Registry of purebred dogs. If you want to register anything else go to a different registry. I don't have a problem with crossbreeds, I hunted alot of them. I have one right now. Call them what they are. CROSSBREEDS. Even crossing between the different coonhound breeds shouldn't be registered as any one breed. There are plenty of good traits in every breed, if you want to register them stick with your breed and quit trying to cross. By the way, I like the majestics, I just think they are more of a type than a breed.

jst seems like every time a walker gets crossed it loses more track power and gets more tree i dont know bout yall but i get tired of walkin to empty trees

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Posted by wildbill on 03-22-2012 08:57 AM:

Re: Re: UKC mission

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jst seems like every time a walker gets crossed it loses more track power and gets more tree i dont know bout yall but i get tired of walkin to empty trees

thats where a good leather leadstrap comes into play or ecollar if you can afford one..

durning coon rut season it can be expected to get a few slicks where the boars climb and crossover limbs looking for sows in heat..

but on a redhot track ,a little more leather should help cure some of the problem..

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Posted by l.lyle on 03-22-2012 09:31 AM:

Re: Re: UKC mission

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Originally posted by guyankennels
jst seems like every time a walker gets crossed it loses more track power and gets more tree i dont know bout yall but i get tired of walkin to empty trees

I think I agree with you if I understand you right. "Every time a Walker gets crossed (whatever it gets crossed onto) looses more track power and gets more tree." That's what I have found too.

Posted by kayapellijed390 on 03-22-2012 01:47 PM:

There is a huge difference between track power and ability to smell a colder older scent. From what I have seen crossing Bloodhound onto a hound breed does produce a better, colder nosed, track straddling dog. What It doesn't produce is a a head up, track drifting, authoritative track driving dog. But I say if you wanna join UkC and compete more power to you. Also any of you that want to hunt your crossbreds or curs just mention it to your local club. The club can decide to have grade casts that aren't UKC sanctioned right alonside the registered casts.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-22-2012 02:10 PM:

I voted NO ... And this is why .. Currently their is'nt a Pure Line of "Majestic" out their .. I'm just starting to Develope a Third Gen. after 10 years of breeding . It take a huge commitment of time, money and a Huge Stock of hound to do it correctly, You have to Keep several pups of the Best selected From Each Litter to Test and carry the main line or even 3 lines like we have .

But there should be an allowance to Add the Org. of the Scent hound Nose " Bloodhound" Back in to current UKC Stock ...

Using the Finest UKC Treeing walkers, English and Bluetick Lines We have Never Produced a Track Stradler ! But They will Move Any track they Find and Finish it, this Includes Very Old Tracks which they will Move Slowly ..

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Posted by JiM on 03-22-2012 02:10 PM:

If someone believes the Bloodhound can bring anything good to the Walker breed, that only serves to show how far out of touch they arr from reality. Look at the guys whos lives depend on their dogs nose. They ain't pack'in no friggin Bloodhound.

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 03-22-2012 02:12 PM:

Re: Re: UKC mission

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Originally posted by guyankennels
jst seems like every time a walker gets crossed it loses more track power and gets more tree i dont know bout yall but i get tired of walkin to empty trees

HOW DOES IT DO THAT THIS DONT MAKE SENCE TO ME......WALKERS BREEDERS PUT ALL THE TREE IN THEM THERE SELF WHEN THEY KEPT BREEDING TO RAT ATTACK AND SACKETT JR. KNOWING THEY PRODUCED TREE MONSTERS......

WHY DONT YOU GIVE US A EXAMPLE.....

Posted by corky crowder on 03-22-2012 02:32 PM:

Re: UKC mission

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Originally posted by Clint Welsh
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services possible, to use our data to help our customers breed the best dogs in the world and to create a wide spectrum of performance and conformation events in which those dogs can prove their instincts and heritage.
It doesn't get any more plain than this. Registry of purebred dogs. If you want to register anything else go to a different registry. I don't have a problem with crossbreeds, I hunted alot of them. I have one right now. Call them what they are. CROSSBREEDS. Even crossing between the different coonhound breeds shouldn't be registered as any one breed. There are plenty of good traits in every breed, if you want to register them stick with your breed and quit trying to cross. By the way, I like the majestics, I just think they are more of a type than a breed. [/B]

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Our mission is to be the world's best registry of purebred dogs, to offer our customers the most efficient and creative

HOW IS THIS TRUE WHEN THEY ALLOW CROSS BREEDS TO BE REG

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-22-2012 02:33 PM:

Jim .. This is the Point : Theirs No way of knowing how much Olfactory has Been Diminished thur Continous Breedings in the Current Stock..

Are they at the Brink of being Unable to Track a Raccoon ???

This is no Joke !! I'am getting a avj. of 2 calls per day with people saying they can't find Hounds that can track ..

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Posted by kayapellijed390 on 03-22-2012 03:33 PM:

Well I can't say anything about the dogs you have produced I have never hunted with one. But I have a friend that has been breeding bloodhound into his lbig game dogs. It does produce dogs that are exceptional at cold trailing a cat and getting it jumped but once it is jumped the pure walkers and plotts overpower them. You may very well produce dogs that can drift a track but I highly doubt that you are producing heads up, AUTHORITATIVE, track driving dogs. If you wanna to produce dogs like that maybe you should try breeding a Leopard into your line. I agree one hundred percent with you that most hound lines are losing track power in favor of tree power. The most powerful track dogs I have ever seen where Leopards or Leopard/walker crosses. My buddy has a Leopard/Walker cross that we turned loose on a coyote track with a couple of foxhounds. That dog flat took the track away fron those seasoned coyote dogs and put on a little track running clinic for them. Another guy in Arizona bought two from the same litter as my buddys dog. He started them on bocats at six months old. After a few times out those two puts where leading all of the races ahead of his seasoned veterans. I think that what you are doing is going to produce some very good dogs and I applaud your efforts. Your dedication amazes me and from looking at your website you are doing a fine job. But the kind of track dog I am looking for is probably not gonna come from bloodhound blood. The key word is AUTHORITATIVE. I want one to drive a track not follow it. JMO.

Posted by V. Cannon on 03-22-2012 04:30 PM:

If UKC adopts the Majestic as a breed I will have hope they will adopt my English Bulldog/ Yorkie mix as dry ground lion retrievers. Both breeds would seem about equal, just a bunch of mixed up mutts.

Posted by guyankennels on 03-22-2012 05:32 PM:

Jim and cannon i want u all to bring these big powerful dogs yall got and hunt with me and show me im wrong ive got pretty dec dogs but what im sayin is its gettin worse and y dosent ukc stamp 99 per. of these dogs as inbreeds ne more im sorry (line Breeding) is big business thats where most of this junk is comin from

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-22-2012 05:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by amazingcursouth
i just wish they would let us cur folks compete with the hounds. I will be happy to go in as a "grade" dog if they would allow it. Even though my dogs are UKC registered.

You wanna hunt em with the big boy dogs. Bring em. PKC has a hunt everynight almost in the the state of ga. You know that!

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Posted by walcursRtrashy on 03-22-2012 06:48 PM:

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You wanna hunt em with the big boy dogs. Bring em. PKC has a hunt everynight almost in the the state of ga. You know that!

Don't you know PKC is nothing but mean dogs and cheating handlers. Lmao

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 03-22-2012 07:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by guyankennels
Jim and cannon i want u all to bring these big powerful dogs yall got and hunt with me and show me im wrong ive got pretty dec dogs but what im sayin is its gettin worse and y dosent ukc stamp 99 per. of these dogs as inbreeds ne more im sorry (line Breeding) is big business thats where most of this junk is comin from

I have had great luck in the walker breed. None have been mean, none have had ANY trash problems. All were track driving, chop mouther tree dogs with good locates. All have been independent as well.

I do agree with you about inbreeding and "linebreeding". Look at them ugle a$$ clover dogs. Yuck

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Posted by Cynthia on 03-22-2012 07:34 PM:

Re: Re: UKC mission

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jst seems like every time a walker gets crossed it loses more track power and gets more tree i dont know bout yall but i get tired of walkin to empty trees

sounds like the wrong dogs are being crossed. there have been outcrosses made to foxhounds and probably other breeds over the years (most hounds were crossbreeds at one time - except plott).

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 03-22-2012 07:36 PM:

SO WHAT WAS THE FOUNDATION STOCK OF THE PLOTT???

Posted by Nat Thomas on 03-22-2012 08:20 PM:

Re: Re: UKC mission

quote:
Originally posted by guyankennels
jst seems like every time a walker gets crossed it loses more track power and gets more tree i dont know bout yall but i get tired of walkin to empty trees

Get a coondog.

Posted by heckler on 03-22-2012 08:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
SO WHAT WAS THE FOUNDATION STOCK OF THE PLOTT???

From memory of what I read, it was a guy by the name of Von Plott that brought over is own stock of dogs used on boar from Germany. I could be wrong.

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