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respect what happen to it

So, it's hunting season. What happened to respect of other hunters during hunting the hunting season. If you coon hunted on private land would it be OK for someone Else to coon hunt that same land? Or should that individual find different land to hunt.

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If you both have permission then you can both hunt that land however I will never turn loose knowingly where someone else is already hunting.

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It was ALWAYS an understanding in these mountains that you would never hunt some one else's hunting ground whether the land was theirs or someone else's land. It was considered their hunting spot and you only hunt someone else's spots when you are hunting with them. Going back to some one else's hunting spots was a no no and anyone that done so was frowned upon in a very bad way. Some of the younger hunters, certainly not all of them may not realize the taboo of doing this, the older hunters understood this practice and we all got along without this ever being an issue. Many landowners around here do not want just anyone hunting on their land, I am very cautious on who I take hunting with me and I make it clear that they are NOT to go back without me. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
It was ALWAYS an understanding in these mountains that you would never hunt some one else's hunting ground whether the land was theirs or someone else's land. It was considered their hunting spot and you only hunt someone else's spots when you are hunting with them. Going back to some one else's hunting spots was a no no and anyone that done so was frowned upon in a very bad way. Some of the younger hunters, certainly not all of them may not realize the taboo of doing this, the older hunters understood this practice and we all got along without this ever being an issue. Many landowners around here do not want just anyone hunting on their land, I am very cautious on who I take hunting with me and I make it clear that they are NOT to go back without me. Dave

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Let's go huntin

I don't think there should be an issue unless you both are cutting loose at the same time. Or if they cut loose into your dog type of thing, which has happened to me before. An issue could be that they shoot every coon treed though. I hunt several tracts of private ground that a few guys have permission to hunt but we're all friends. And the owners know we're all friends.

But just a spin on it from the other side. Is the guy new to the area? Did the landowner source out another hunter to kill off more coons?

Some of the issues we've got today is people thinking they should be the only ones hunting an area. Just like deer hunters thinking coon hunting runs deer out of the area for that year. Do I like being the only guy that hunts certain spots? Absolutely but if I don't own it I shouldn't get upset if another hunter wants to hunt it.

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Eric DePue

We ALL have what we call common hunting spots, places where we know that several different hunters hunt and that's okay. We ALL have certain spots that we call our hunting spots, spots that we have a bond with the land owner, places that the land owner trusts YOU and does not want others to hunt there unless you are with them. No one wants to lose hunting spots due to some a hole going back without permission, having the landowner mad at you because you brought them there to start or thinking it was you that left a gate open or turned loose at 2am when they were asleep. Some of us have spent years building s good working relationship with the landowners and do not want that relationship damaged by inconsiderate or disrespectful hunters going back to a place you took them. I know when they go to bed and don't hunt there after a certain time at night, I know not to drive on certain ground, etc. I know how much game can be taken without over killing the population, these are some of the reasons that we should respect others hunting spots. I have hunted over 50 years and this practice has served me very well, as it has my fellow coon hunters, it's known here in the South as RESPECT. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
We ALL have what we call common hunting spots, places where we know that several different hunters hunt and that's okay. We ALL have certain spots that we call our hunting spots, spots that we have a bond with the land owner, places that the land owner trusts YOU and does not want others to hunt there unless you are with them. No one wants to lose hunting spots due to some a hole going back without permission, having the landowner mad at you because you brought them there to start or thinking it was you that left a gate open or turned loose at 2am when they were asleep. Some of us have spent years building s good working relationship with the landowners and do not want that relationship damaged by inconsiderate or disrespectful hunters going back to a place you took them. I know when they go to bed and don't hunt there after a certain time at night, I know not to drive on certain ground, etc. I know how much game can be taken without over killing the population, these are some of the reasons that we should respect others hunting spots. I have hunted over 50 years and this practice has served me very well, as it has my fellow coon hunters, it's known here in the South as RESPECT. Dave

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The person is new to the area renting. Me and the land owener said no hunting. I showed the person two big spots of public grounds about 10 min away with a lot of coon in. Thanks for your input

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Originally posted by Nick Koch
So, it's hunting season. What happened to respect of other hunters during hunting the hunting season. If you coon hunted on private land would it be OK for someone Else to coon hunt that same land? Or should that individual find different land to hunt.

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Most of what I've read on this post I agree with. I've been on both ends of the stick so to speak. That being the guy just getting started and the guy who has hunting spots he likes to call "his" though he has no ownership of 1 cubic inch of the spot he calls "his". Like many of you, I'm protective of "my" spots to hunt. Mostly because I'm extremely conservative when it comes to killing game. It's only on very in frequent occasions that I kill game to my hounds. Simply because it's worth more to me alive than dead. That's my choice.

Been struggling a bit lately. Got a young fella that is quite a deer hunter whose decided he wants to get into rabbit/Hare hunting. He's looking for help starting a pup and he has a young boy whom he bought the pup for. Shamefully, it seems my first inclination is always to say no. Yet as I've mulled this over and actually prayed about it, I'm reminded of my own beginnings. Had it not been for a 78 year old retired railroad engineer from Island Pond,VT my 48 year love affair with hunting hounds may never have happened.

If I'm fortunate I may have 10 good years left following hounds. Don't like the thought but it's reality. Had it not been for 3 men who were all at least 1 generation ahead of me I'd never known what has been a life long love affair with raising, training and hunting hounds. 99.9% of my hunting with hounds has occurred on someone else's property. I've always respected the property of others and thanked them for allowing me the privilege of free casting my hounds on their property.

I owe it to the generation that follows me to share with them the love that the generation before me blessed me with........and by the way.......it has been so very much more than just the actual hunt all these years. Respect is a learned attribute and we all have an opportunity to model it for others.......especially those younger than we are. I'm planning on seizing the opportunity to perhaps pass on the gift that was given to me. If we don't do a good job of handing off our sport, for many of us a way of life, it may become amongst those things labeled extinct. May it never be so!

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Dan

Had a fella that wanted to hunt with me some. I took him several times and enjoyed doing so. Had a landowner call me and ask about him. I guess he was following up asking landowners for his own permission. Never hunted with him again. The landowner didnt let no one hunt but me or guys with me. Landowner didnt get upset with me but could have. He really thought it was humorous when he saw I was upset with the fella.

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Your example is exactly why most of us are reluctant to take a stranger to our hunting spots. Most folks have no idea of the years we have spent cultivating a good relationship with the land owners where we hunt. It's not as simple as getting hunting permission, it's about trusting you , that you will take care of their property and respect their conditions of hunting on their land. I never want a landowner thinking I done something wrong or betrayed their trust in me. I have some places where I hunt that will not let anyone but myself hunt, I can not even take someone with me. I personally think that anyone who goes hunting with someone else with the purpose of finding new hunting spots for themselves is a dishonest person and I have no use for anyone like that. Dave

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Or take a cast in there 1 time only to be asked later by the landowner how many did you get the other night when you were out to dinner with your wife. Gets to the point I'm hesitant on where I guide a cast anymore.

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We really don’t have that problem because we have so much public hunting. If I am going to reward my dogs I go somewhere I don’t like to hunt to do it. Some of these guys will call wanting to go and if you show them where there are coons they camp out there till they are all gone. Got to where I just take them to the baddest jungle I got I know how to walk around stuff but when they are with me I don’t lol.




Tar

We don't have this with coonhunters, but deer, bear, turkey hunting and bobcat trapping is bad. My husband has an orange Jeep that sticks out like a sore thumb. People are always parking beside him. This yr, someone went into one of his favorite spots and put bait out. He said there was no reason for it, there were acorns there and it was one of the best places he saw to hunt. He called the game commission and reported it. They posted it "baited area" so no one could hunt there.

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I just take them to the baddest jungle I got I know how to walk around stuff but when they are with me I don’t lol.
Tar

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It used to be

That if someone took you hunting, you just didn’t go back to there spot. It was respect. Just the other day I was talking to one of the landowners I hunt on and he told me that someone asked him to coonhunt it. I asked who it was and it was someone I had taken there. Lol. He told him I was the only one to be in there. Needless to say he won’t hunt with me again. Sort of a dick move if you ask me.

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Mike Carder

That's exactly the kind of hunter that no one likes, sadly there are folks like that who only want to use someone in hopes of getting new hunting spots for themselves. What's even sadder, most of them do not see any thing wrong with behaving that way. Dave

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You hunt where you want...I’ll hunt where I want...

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Originally posted by Rex Ridge
We don't have this with coonhunters, but deer, bear, turkey hunting and bobcat trapping is bad. My husband has an orange Jeep that sticks out like a sore thumb. People are always parking beside him. This yr, someone went into one of his favorite spots and put bait out. He said there was no reason for it, there were acorns there and it was one of the best places he saw to hunt. He called the game commission and reported it. They posted it "baited area" so no one could hunt there.

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Re: It used to be

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Originally posted by MIKE CARDER
That if someone took you hunting, you just didn’t go back to there spot. It was respect. Just the other day I was talking to one of the landowners I hunt on and he told me that someone asked him to coonhunt it. I asked who it was and it was someone I had taken there. Lol. He told him I was the only one to be in there. Needless to say he won’t hunt with me again. Sort of a dick move if you ask me.

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And people wonder why this is a dying sport.....we see it with every kind of hunting and now with coon hunting. My gosh hunting land is nearly impossible to find so I understand the reason to hoard it, but geez how is someone starting out supposed to find a place to go?

I know you don't want someone honing in on your hotspot, but if they man up and go ask permission and are granted it, you have your landowner to blame, not the hunter. They are just trying to enjoy the woods and their dogs just like you. If you want soul exclusive hunting rights do what everyone else does and buy 50 acres and post it.......have fun running your dog on the same 50 night after night.

I often wonder at what point in history did hunting become such a "me" sport. 50 years ago, people just went hunting, and if someone was in a spot, you went someplace else......now its me me me, mine mine mine.

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toe cutter

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". Some folks just don't have any moral compass at all. Unfortunately, we all are going to run into someone like you described in your post, having nothing more to do with folks like that is the best course of action. One rotten apple can stink up the whole barrel, just be careful who you take hunting, if they don't have anyplace to take you hunting that should put up a red flag. Dave

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Exactly

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Originally posted by ole hoss
You hunt where you want...I’ll hunt where I want...

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I don’t care where anybody hunts, I pull up and see a truck I just go down the road and cut loose. Hope you tree a dozen of em. Don’t care if you shoot them out. People should encourage others to hunt. Not discourage

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