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Rule question on 6(q)

I've heard it said on here that while the stationary is being ran on a dog, it is broke any time another dog is declared treed. The Advisor is not that vague, it states that if another dog "comes in" and is declared treed, and in the same article it states; if another dog is declared treed on same tree, then the stationary is broke. Would like an official interpretation as well as you all's opinions on the matter. Thanks.

Pages 70 & 71 of the advisor BTW.

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Good qestion. I have also wondered what it takes to break that 5. If a dog goes quiet for 2mins. is it broke or does the dog need to open away fom the tree? Lets say the dog hammers for 2 mins, and then is quiet for 2 and then starts treeing again.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Good qestion. I have also wondered what it takes to break that 5. If a dog goes quiet for 2mins. is it broke or does the dog need to open away fom the tree? Lets say the dog hammers for 2 mins, and then is quiet for 2 and then starts treeing again.

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I don't know what the rule is on it but I wouldn't agree on breaking the 5 on a dog just becouse another dog came into it.
I thought the stationary was to make you tree your dog when your not wanting to tree it. Just becouse another dog comes into it shouldn't give a man more time to not tree his dog.

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I have always taken the Advisor's interpretation of the rule to mean that if the dogs are obviously split to the point that they can be judged separately, you judge them separately. If dog A is deep right and 6(q) is applied, and dog B trees deep left, you continue to judge dog A under rule 6(q). If at any point you cannot effectively judge dog A, you would break the 5.
That is how I would handle it until UKC tells me different.

I believe in PKC, the stationary is broke on any dog anytime another dog is called treed anywhere.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Good qestion. I have also wondered what it takes to break that 5. If a dog goes quiet for 2mins. is it broke or does the dog need to open away fom the tree? Lets say the dog hammers for 2 mins, and then is quiet for 2 and then starts treeing again.

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3 dog cast, all dogs struck, A sounds hooked and the judge starts stationary, a couple minutes in B comes in and opens on the tree a half dozen times and then moves on. Did B break the 5 ?..

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Originally posted by JiM
I have always taken the Advisor's interpretation of the rule to mean that if the dogs are obviously split to the point that they can be judged separately, you judge them separately. If dog A is deep right and 6(q) is applied, and dog B trees deep left, you continue to judge dog A under rule 6(q). If at any point you cannot effectively judge dog A, you would break the 5.
That is how I would handle it until UKC tells me different.

I believe in PKC, the stationary is broke on any dog anytime another dog is called treed anywhere.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
3 dog cast, all dogs struck, A sounds hooked and the judge starts stationary, a couple minutes in B comes in and opens on the tree a half dozen times and then moves on. Did B break the 5 ?..

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Originally posted by jabrown
Absolutely not.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
If you read your first post it says IF A DOG COMES IN AND TREES (or) if a dog is declared treed.

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In Jims scenario i would agree with how he does it, but if A is declared treed first deep left and B starts hammerin deep right UKC. has said that 6q should not be applied to B even though he is split. Probably because while scoring As tree it would be impossible to determin wheather B had moved or shutup.

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I guess I missed that. When did they say that?
I wouldn't care for the idea that someone at UKC would decide when I am capable of judging dogs obviously split and when I can't.

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Jim it was a thread posted back on the 9th. Your response was that the stationary should not be started anytime a dog had been declared treed, and Allen came on and confirmed that 6q should not be started when a dog had been declared treed.

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I guess maybe it boils down to weather or not they are abviously split, but if a dogs tree has to be scored it would be pretty hard to judge that other dog.

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Is this the thread you were talking about John? If so this is a totally different scenario.
http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...ight=Stationary

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Just to clear things up a little bit, my question would be on a scenario where the stationary is applied to dog A, no other dogs are declared treed at this point. 4 minutes gone on the stationary and dog B is declared treed deep. Far in the other direction from A. Is the stationary then broke on A, or do you finish the 5 on stationary dog, check A, and then proceed to B?

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In that situation, I'm thinking it would be acceptable to continue the 5 on dog A as long as the judge feels he can effectively judge the situation. And I agree that if the 5 catches dog A, you would check dog A to verify he is treed before scoring dog B just as you would if dog A had been treed ahead of dog B.

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I would suppose you could run the stationary on a dog that is obviously split and handle it just like any other split tree scenario..


The only thing is , I would be hesitant to START the clock on a stationary dog after I was in the process of scoring another dog's tree. Maybe it's just me , but I would NOT want to distraction of scoring another tree while running the stationary on another dog.

Hope that makes sense.

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I have always broke the stationary anytime a dog is declared treed, reason being is you are supposed to head in the direction of the treed dog and should be close to the tree within the 5 minutes. I don't know how you can check to see if a dog is stationary without keeping a man from heading towards a dog that was called treed. Does one trump the other? I don't know but I've always went with the dog that was called treed.

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Mark- I agree completely, shouldn't run the stationary in that situation.

Kenny- I see your point, but the other side of that is there is a reason for running the stationary and I think we should make every reasonable effort to enforce it once implemented. But I totally see your point and that's why I'm asking for an official ruling specifically on when you have the stationary running and a dog is called treed clearly split from stationary dog, all other situations I got a pretty good grasp on. Thanks for your input on the scenario in question.

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Can we get an official comment on this? I would like to know the correct way to handle this.

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im not running the stationary on a dog if another is treed... he could make a bark on the ground to break it and me not hear it.... numurous things could happen while your walking provided he is any distance at all... i just dont feel i can just the dog fairly when another is treed... i wish you could tree them on thier first bark after the 5 is up... a dog tree 3 minutes and 2 sec and shut up and and open up treed again at the 5 min 1 sec spot your screwed... jmo