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Thick coon, training pup problem

The areas I hunt a lot, are pretty thick in coon. They are also often closer to roads then I prefer, so I often have to walk back in several hundred yard before I drop. Often, my pup will strike a coon before I can get in far enough where I prefer to be.

I am trying to teach him to go out from me, he is now at the point where he tracks and trees good. His main hole right now is going out and getting the coon. If I stand still he stands next to me. If I walk him, he will hunt out about a 100 yds or so. Normally this is all it takes for him to strike a coon.

So how do I get him to hunt deeper, if normally all it takes is for him go a hundered yards or so to strike a track.

I do have a few areas that are a little thinner on coon, but I worry he may run trash then.

Going Yonder

Don't walk him at all, turn him loose and sit on your tailgate. Might take a few trips out but he will get sick of hanging around you and he will drift out start a coon. Just make sure you go to him when he trees. He'll realize that when he trees that you will come to him. This works, just don't walk him at all.

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Re: Going Yonder

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Originally posted by Awe Sum Mass
Don't walk him at all, turn him loose and sit on your tailgate. Might take a few trips out but he will get sick of hanging around you and he will drift out start a coon. Just make sure you go to him when he trees. He'll realize that when he trees that you will come to him. This works, just don't walk him at all.

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Yeah but I have to walk him to get him away from the roads. A lot of the spots I hunt I have to walk him, into the woods to get him away from the roads.

jmo

if your in thick coons and he hunts out a 100 yrds thats a plenty far enough for me but thats me you get him to start blowing out the country your just teaching him to pass up a older track to go find a red hot but i have always been a pleasure hunter and like a dog to hunt out like this and check back then move alittle ways and stop till it checks back again if it dont tree i think you have a good dog

If you're walking him in a ways , on the leash , to get him away from the road before turning him loose , you're teaching him to stay close to you.
You need to turn him loose and start walking in the direction you want to hunt. He'll get the idea.

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Originally posted by Fisher13
The areas I hunt a lot, are pretty thick in coon. They are also often closer to roads then I prefer, so I often have to walk back in several hundred yard before I drop. Often, my pup will strike a coon before I can get in far enough where I prefer to be.

I am trying to teach him to go out from me, he is now at the point where he tracks and trees good. His main hole right now is going out and getting the coon. If I stand still he stands next to me. If I walk him, he will hunt out about a 100 yds or so. Normally this is all it takes for him to strike a coon.

So how do I get him to hunt deeper, if normally all it takes is for him go a hundered yards or so to strike a track.

I do have a few areas that are a little thinner on coon, but I worry he may run trash then.

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Comes with age and patience...different dogs do things differently.... my current dog was much like yours...

I kept walking him and kept sitting longer and longer....each time getting farther from where I figured a coon would be so he would learn to go hunting for a coon...

Eventually he will get bored and go hunting...


Some guys get on em with a switch or something....all the accomplishes IMO is making the dog afraid to come to you...I don't want that....


I actually kinda like walking a dog along...I also like free casting and waiting for a dog to get struck and treed...some guys cannot stand walking a dog along...

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I like a dog to ramble deep in the country.The more you let em run loose as pups,seems they hunt out better than keeping em penned up all the time. Jmo

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How old is the dog???...Do you hunt alone all the time????...Some dogs need to be hunted with other dogs to learn some things...Hunting a young dog with a dog that takes off on a run can help get a pup hunting deeper....Some pups will learn to hunt deeper on there own. But most wont if they are not hunted with dogs that hunt that way...Running off game is usually learned from other dogs..But not always...LOL

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Originally posted by jackbob42
If you're walking him in a ways , on the leash , to get him away from the road before turning him loose , you're teaching him to stay close to you.
You need to turn him loose and start walking in the direction you want to hunt. He'll get the idea.

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I also think i will start hunting some of the spots that hold less coon more often. Till he looks better in those woods.

Wintertime will help it since there seem to be less coon then. I only want a dog to go as far at it has to to tree a coon and there will be times he has to go farther just because of conditions or lack of coon movement ect. If he has the desire to tree coon he will go and find them, if he doesn't its hard to train desire.

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Once he smells one, he shows desire, I think he just lacks confidence, he only a year, so I think he is doing fine for his age, time will tell. The other night he ranged good. Last night not so much.

YOU NEED TO REPROGRAM THAT DOG , CUT HIM LOOSE WHEN HE COME'S BACK IN STICK A BOOT IN HIS AZZ AND SEND HIM ON HIS MERRY WAY.I SEEN WHERE YOU WAS ASKING ABOUT TONEING A DOG IN .DID YOU SHOCK HIM TO GET HIM TO COME BACK IN WHEN YOU WAS TRAINNING HIM TO COME IN WHEN YOU HIT TONE? IF YOU DID TAKE SHOCKING COLLAR OFF FOR A WHILE.BUT A BOOT OR A SWITCH TO THE AZZ WILL HELP.THAT'S HOW I DO A LAZY DOG, I KNOW THAT TEQUILA CAINE THROW'S DRIVE IN HIS PUP'S.

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Originally posted by Nova70
YOU NEED TO REPROGRAM THAT DOG , CUT HIM LOOSE WHEN HE COME'S BACK IN STICK A BOOT IN HIS AZZ AND SEND HIM ON HIS MERRY WAY.I SEEN WHERE YOU WAS ASKING ABOUT TONEING A DOG IN .DID YOU SHOCK HIM TO GET HIM TO COME BACK IN WHEN YOU WAS TRAINNING HIM TO COME IN WHEN YOU HIT TONE? IF YOU DID TAKE SHOCKING COLLAR OFF FOR A WHILE.BUT A BOOT OR A SWITCH TO THE AZZ WILL HELP.THAT'S HOW I DO A LAZY DOG, I KNOW THAT TEQUILA CAINE THROW'S DRIVE IN HIS PUP'S.

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Back when I used to work shift work, when I came home off of 3-11, I'd Get my dog and go to a spot and turn him loose, and get in the truck and IGNORE him. He'll get tired of staying around and venture off. If he doesn't, gather him up and go home and put him in the kennel. Try the routine the next night. It wont take to many trips like that until he goes somewhere. Keep the window where you can hear him, if he trees, praise him some. Try to end on a good note!

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Originally posted by brushrunretiree
Back when I used to work shift work, when I came home off of 3-11, I'd Get my dog and go to a spot and turn him loose, and get in the truck and IGNORE him. He'll get tired of staying around and venture off. If he doesn't, gather him up and go home and put him in the kennel. Try the routine the next night. It wont take to many trips like that until he goes somewhere. Keep the window where you can hear him, if he trees, praise him some. Try to end on a good note!

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What if....

Lets say I walk him into the woods too hunt, since I can't sit by the road and wait for him. After he goes out a 100yds and hunts for all whole 5 minutes, and then comes back in and sits by my side. I put him on the lead and walk him back to the dog box. Put him in. Wait 10 minutes, get back out and repeat.

I would imagine after a few times he would stay out longer and hopefully range further.

Once you turn him loose and he ranges out his 100yds and checks back in don't do anything just wait him out, eventually he should leave.

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Is there any government land you could hunt? Most have access roads you can get off main roads. Maybe the backside of some place off the highway. Just thoughts.

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Hunting desire is to some degree bred in them.

The ones that I have had that go deep didn't have to be made to do it.

You can make a dog get away from you with a switch but you really can't make him hunt.

That has to be in the dog.

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Originally posted by Blacklabel
Is there any government land you could hunt? Most have access roads you can get off main roads. Maybe the backside of some place off the highway. Just thoughts.

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Fisher13

you must be my neighbor...lol... Same thing happens here but for us it is a blessing... Because of the roads and patch woods we MUST WALK HUNT and want a closer hunting dog... Walk him back in and park your butt down and refuse to move until he wanders off and hunts. Put a bell on him while hunting so you can gauge how far out he is going before he strikes, it will also tell you how hard he is actually hunting when he leaves you... Patience is the key.....

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update

So Ive had him layed up for a few days.

Unfortunately it was hot and muggy, so he didn't appeared as wound up as I hoped he would be.

I tried switching on him pretty good, the first time he came back, and I switched him he went back out and hunted some more. The second time he came back he hung around some, and I switched him harder, he became confused, and scared. I could see that he honestly didn't think there were any coon around. Switching him, just spooked him, and broke the trust I have been building with him. Scolding and light switching however did seem to have the desired effect, but it seems that in this situation less is more.

He has seemed to learn though that just because I am standing still doesn't mean he gets to sit next me.
He was ranging about 150 yds. Towards the end he seemed to hunt harder and staying out longer.
I have noticed this before it seems like the first drop he tends to lollygag around a bit more, peeing and pooping and what not. With each drop his focus seems to better. However I do not have the time to be hunting 4 or 5 hrs a night waiting for him to get warmed up. Has anybody ever come across this before?

Didn't strike anything or tree anything, It seems to be either feast or famine where I am at. I may take him for a drop in thick coon just to get one out to him, then go back to the bigger woods with less coon.

I haven't hunted him with any other broke dogs lately, I think this may also help. At least it did the last time I did.