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cull dogs

why do you here people on here trying to sell a dog thats supposed to be finished or doin good on bear and the reason for selling is wanting to work with pups or got another young hound that needs hunted.doesnt make sense to me to get rid of one thats doin it so you can hunt one that isnt?jmo

Re: cull dogs

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Originally posted by chasinbear
why do you here people on here trying to sell a dog thats supposed to be finished or doin good on bear and the reason for selling is wanting to work with pups or got another young hound that needs hunted.doesnt make sense to me to get rid of one thats doin it so you can hunt one that isnt?jmo

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And I thought I was kinda partial to my muts. (not really muts most are papered) anyway this whole dog sellin deal has gotten far out of hand. So lets break it down a bit. So most of us are NOT dr's or lawyers. If we were the price wouldn't matter so much. So a person can usually pick up a pup for around two hundred bucks. Lets say he makes the grade and doesn't get shipped back or earn a quick trip to doggie heaven. So you got a couple hundred into him and you have an old or trained dog show him the way. He comes on good and does his "job". A year or two later you have fed him and give him his shots. Where on earth do we get off chargin 3 grand for a dog. I bought a dog @ a year and a half with nothin done with him I mean nothin and paid 3 hundred bucks for him. That was in January of this year. To date he has been on a bunch of bear and several lions. He has struck honest for the last month but was strikin pretty good earlier. So again I ask where in the hell do people come up with 3 grand for a 2 to 3 year old dog. Where is the justification? He is a beautifull hound long ears good roman nose good change over from track to tree. Cat footed leggy I mean a good honest dog. Worth 3 grand??? Probably to some but it's like payin fifty grand for a truck anymore. It's still a couple seats and a drive train, and my dog is still just a dog. No more no less. It's gone plain crazy.

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high dollar dogs

I want to start by saying I do not sell dogs.I can see where somone gets a dog is worth 3 or 4000 dollrs.Time is a resorse we only have a limited amount of.I do not train pups because I am not good at it.Some people are.Yes the pup trainer has maybe 500 with shots in a dog but now we got gas to look at then all his TIME spent in the woods.A man should be compensated for all the aggervation a pup will give you. Then how many did not make the cut that were a complete loss.

So would ya be out there without the pup? I mean so you wouldnt be hunting except to train this pup to sell?? I think its a riot chargin a potential buyer for every darn cost you aquire while hunting...Something we LOVE??? HMMM... Time spent training I understand. However your older dogs do most of that. You take the risk when you buy the pup. I don't think that the person who buys that dog 3,4,5 or however many years later should absorb the cost of the last 2,3,4 pups that haven't made the cut. Some of the things that people are being charged for are crazy.

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I haven't been hunting a long time but I do hunt and I do it cause I enjoy it and I don't see where a dog should cost that much but I also figure its like any other hobby you can take it to what ever level you choose. I for one can't afford a high dollar dog and would have a hard tine spending alot of money even if I had it. Some of the best dogs I have had were free or close to it but I have also been through alot of them in the short time I have done it. I usually get my dogs from people who I know and understand that we do it for fun and not ti make money hides aren't worth anything and if your already going hunting anyhow why should someone buying a dog have to pay for that but that's my opinion but if you don't mind paying then have at it.

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Originally posted by iinvno1
And I thought I was kinda partial to my muts. (not really muts most are papered) anyway this whole dog sellin deal has gotten far out of hand. So lets break it down a bit. So most of us are NOT dr's or lawyers. If we were the price wouldn't matter so much. So a person can usually pick up a pup for around two hundred bucks. Lets say he makes the grade and doesn't get shipped back or earn a quick trip to doggie heaven. So you got a couple hundred into him and you have an old or trained dog show him the way. He comes on good and does his "job". A year or two later you have fed him and give him his shots. Where on earth do we get off chargin 3 grand for a dog. I bought a dog @ a year and a half with nothin done with him I mean nothin and paid 3 hundred bucks for him. That was in January of this year. To date he has been on a bunch of bear and several lions. He has struck honest for the last month but was strikin pretty good earlier. So again I ask where in the hell do people come up with 3 grand for a 2 to 3 year old dog. Where is the justification? He is a beautifull hound long ears good roman nose good change over from track to tree. Cat footed leggy I mean a good honest dog. Worth 3 grand??? Probably to some but it's like payin fifty grand for a truck anymore. It's still a couple seats and a drive train, and my dog is still just a dog. No more no less. It's gone plain crazy.

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3 grand is a fair price if the dog does the job right IMO. By the time you feed the parents, pay their licenses,shots,stud fee's wormer,time in the woods,gas etc. Or Pay $200 for 10 pups and get one good one eventually 2 years later.

x 2 diggerman.... huntin my whole life and only seen a few, i've owned only one, and he would have NEVER been sold. He was stolen once but by Gods grace I got him back but only because the guy was way to stupid to be a good thief !!

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Bad thing is , some folks culls are better than alot of folks "best" dogs ! LOL

If you can't understand the value of a really good hound , you've probably never seen one.

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THERE ARE LOTS OF DOGS THAT WILL TREE A COON BUT THERE ARE NOT SO MANY COONDOGS. THATS WHY THERE HIGH!!!!!

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Culls

I will tell you one way you can cull a dog if you are wanting to buy a dog. Tell them they only way you will buy a dog is see it in the woods. That will thin out the bad dogs. I put on here over a year ago I want to buy a bear dog but I want to see it hunt and it has to tree a bear.I know every time you gone huntng you do not tree a bear. I still have not got I off here but I did get one. So just hunt with the dog before you buy it.

Wow, not gettin into a peein match here but, in 17 years out in the brush in the northwest I have learned a little, not alot but some. One thing I will tell ya is that I live in the middle of nowhere for one reason. I HUNT DOGS. As I sit here and type this I am actually humor'd that someone would be ignorant enough to state that if I hunted a lil more that I would know the difference between a good dog or a "special dog" and a ok dog or a dog that will simply tree BIG game. Thought thats what dept I was in. Anyway this was simply about the price of dogs. Most common folk dont know what a big game hound is let alone pay 5 grand for one. If you feel the need to justify yourself and your price fine. I have a said that I.... think we have gone crazy on price. Its my opinion. But before you presume to know me and my hunting habits mabe you should really know me and my hunting habits. I have the privlage to live where I hunt and work where I hunt. I get off work and I hunt. I come home and I work I get off and hunt, get the picture?? So yeah hunting as I do I have a pretty good idea what a "special dog" is most of us will be lucky to have one "special dog" in their life. I have had the pleasure of hunting two. Both are now dead thanks to my own ignorance or it may give some indication to a "gritty" dog. But as I said before I have learned a little not alot. But maybe your right and I need to hunt a little more. But that would require quitting my job and hunting 24 hrs a day,abandoning my family and being broke so at this time I'll pass. Justify your price if you will, I have stated my opinion and as I predicted been hammered for it. Not a really big deal actually. I wanted to hear other opinions as to why folks charge what they are charging. I thought maybe I was missin something and someone would say something other than vet bills and dog food, time and boot leather. Someone mentioned that basiclly time wasnt a renewable resource. Very well put and I think that people should be paid for their time. However if your really add up the time you've spent with "that" dog some people are charging Dr.'s rates. As far as having or had a "special dog" and having good dogs I refuse to go there and give refrence. I could but most people dont have the privlage to have seen the game that I have and you don't do that with ok dogs. Not braggin but since some presume to know me and my hunting habits thought I mite explain a bit. I realize that I have went off topic in a cull dogs topic. I got off base sorry. On that note we dang sure pay too much for dogs that are culls. Sorry for gettin off topic. Got a lil chaffed for a minute.

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Well the way i see it is the price on a dog is a reflection of his or her abilities not how much money you have invested. There are dogs out there that may be worth alot of money i have never been able to afford what most people are askin for them anyway. The problem i see is people askin finished dog prices for started dogs. But like i said the price is for the dogs abilites. Just think you wouldn't charge someone extra for the money ya spent on maitenance and tires and such for youre truck if you sold it.

I think this is blown a little out of proportion. II've never had the discussion on how much money was in a dog whether I am buying or selling. How do you price a dog from the get go? Say you know you have a good dog, one of the best you have seen. You heard of a dog that was supposed to be good about the same age a few states over that sold for BIG MONEY. So you ask in the neigborhood of the same amount for yours. You can't compare your dog exactly cause you have never seen him but you know you have a good dog. If you bred him and fed him and wormed him and he had no major medical expenses you might only have $600 directly in him. But you're asking 5 times that because you know you have a good dog. So how much you have in him is a mute point. Conversely, you have a young dog for sale. He has good breeding like you like and he is coming along good for his age. You tally it up and figure you got $600 in him so you ask $700 cause you got a pup you want to concentrate on. What's wrong with trying to get your money back?. Also if you are buying and the dog is a year and a half old and the guy will take $250, he is telling you without telling you the dog is not much good.You know yourself a dog eats $25 a month and this is a year and a half old dog.

The truth is"buying a dog for almost any price is still the cheapest part of owning the dog,period."

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yea but when you sell a dog the buyer doesnt care how much dog food he has ate.he is paying for ability.maybe people should say hey my dog has ate 3000 dollars worth of dog food.he eats real good.bet that will impress alot of hunters and they will be beating the door down wanting that dog.lol.dogs have to eat just like us so that shouldnt be figured in to the price.some people just try to scam and make money off hounds....its sad but true.it would be different if there were people that trained hounds to sell that suited people but i just dont think there are many out there.there are some that train hounds keep the best for themselves and lie about the others that are culls so they can sell them.jmo

Seriously , Have you ever bought a dog and asked how much the fellow had in him?

Come to think of it I have bought a dog that the fellow told me he bought him for 600$ but he would check in and he didn't like that. Best 600 I ever spent. But that was a trained dog bought twice, that's a different story for a guy that raises a pup and trains it.

I do know for a fact that people I know that have spent the most on dogs were the most satisfied. That being said I have paid as high as $600 . that was for a pup.The jury is still out on that dog but I have more in just gas hunting that hound. So if you want to feed $30 abag dogfood and drive around on $4.00 gas it might just as well be with a dog you like ,regardless of the price.I prefer to raise my own and have been extremely lucky ,I think,and will pay whatever to get the pup I want.

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All my life I wanted to be somebody, now I realize I should have been more specific. I carry a gun because I am too young to die and too old to take an asswhoopin.

You do have a point with gas and such. I forget that not everyone has less than a hundred yards to go to hunt. Not sure about the fact that the dog is the least expensive part of hunting. I guess if you consider your truck or gas over a few years yes your right but you must concur that you can buy a bunch of fuel for 5000.00 bucks. Ya know someone else had mentioned years of breeding a good "strain" of hounds and why should they be giving away all of that work that it took to get to that point so that any jo blow can tree the same as the person who has all the time and effort into their program. I agree with this but at the end of the day I think that people get more out of seeing a youngster or a newby out having fun then the joy that money could or will ever bring you. I also forget that I don't always say whats on my mind and assume that folks that I've never met know why I am saying something. I still think that dogs are overpriced but I guess what led me to this is the dogs that are out there that aren't worth the food to feed them and people are sellin them for big money. So one of the youngsters or newby's I mentioned before gets one and gets spoiled on the sport. This is what will tear down our sport ....... lack of people doing it. So many things attribute to the sucess or lack there of, of our sport. In my opinion this is a major flaw that we have. We all need to be honest and if a dog needs culled, cull it. Dont lie and tell someone its something it's not. Also when one of us knows about someone sellin a pos call him or her on it. Don't let it go for lack of stones. Tell it like it is if nothin else tell folks on here. I have seen some folks do this. Lets make it the norm instead of the exception. After awhile folks will quit or move on.

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I still don't think I know just where you're coming from. How are you going to go telling everyone a dog is a pos and you don't know the dog? I recon some people do get screwed on dog deals but that is the nature of the beast if you don't know what you are doing it's even worse. As for kids. You won't share in the joy cause likely you will never hear from the kid again. I have been softhearted and sold a weanling $200 pup for $100 with $50 down and a promise. LOL a month later his mom doesn't want him to have it and wants me to drive 200 miles to come get it. Kids are trouble unless they are your own. Besides that younguns generally have as much or more spending money as their dad that's trying to raise a family. I say let the kid pay the full price so he knows he has a true investment instead of a half GIMME GIMME GIMMIE and start him on the path of Entitlements. Let's see if i got this right? A kid wants a $2,000 trained dog instead of a pup! Well good choice young man, you are smart in that choice since you ain't got a clue nor the inclination on how to train a pup anyway , anti up $2,000 or get in cheaper. I have had experience with this stuff too long. I'll give a good dog to a fellow that would appreciate it before I'd get screwed over on the same dog by a poormouther or some fast talker putting him down.


Do you mind telling me what kind of dog specificly you are looking for? What you expect of the dog and a range of what you are willing to pay?

I will tell you what I have that might fit the bill. You come try it out and buy it or not. If you are looking for a bobcat dog I can already tell you I don't have one. It's simple really.

Nope l lyle I don't think you do. What I was trying to get across, is that if one of us sees a dog on here for sale and we know the dog to be a "pos" Obviously we know the dog so we should know the owner. So if we know both of these facts I think we should call him or her on their bs, right? I know I would. I'm not looking for dogs. If you are asking me?? Well there I go again. Over here the houndsmen are a pretty tight knit group. So first of all our dogs pretty much stay within a fairly small group of people. So most of the time we can keep track of our dogs and continue with our programs. That is how we keep a good thing good. We know our dogs and most of the people who hunt them. As far as the kid thing goes I kinda hear ya there I dont think kids have to work for what they have near enough. So lets say one does save up and buys one of these prime dogs for 2500 and its a cull you tell a 15 or 16 year old thats the nature of the beast and if at first you dont suceed try try again. I bet some would love it if thats the way it went. Not tryin to bicker here but just like you said its the nature of the beast sometimes you give someone a dog and it comes back to bite you excuse the pun. But I think more times than not it is very well taken and much appreciated. Like I said our newby's and young ones are the future of this sport. If they are taken advantage of how many will come back to loose another 2500?

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Well i think we need to get the young people involved in hunting they are the future. And yeah i get it most kids today don't appreciate anything. I was lucky enough to have a dad that took the time to take me hunting and teach me things about hunting some kids aren't that lucky. There are enough antihunters out there that the hunters especially hound hunters need to stick together. Selling dogs and telling someone they are something they are not to make a dollar isn't the way to help the sport. People just be honest if the dog is worth the money then so be it if not don't try to take somebody especially a young person just to make a buck. Like it or not the young hunters are the future of our sport and we are loosing them one bad deal at a time.

We all are looking for that perfect dog and We all hAve a different opinion on what that is.i just bought a dog and he was every thing I wanted and I just had to put him down because you couldt trust him not to bite someone. So the search begins again but like someone else said try them out and it's your opinion if the dog is worth what is being asked

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