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The ethanol business isn't looking good my company in south bend, new energy is cutting back 25% most of it in maintenance . That means even though I've been there 8 years I'm gone July 15 . Guess I will have to go back to 2-10 2nd shift better for the dogs but hard on my kids just lucky I have a job lined up.

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Night Shift

Weve got it slowed down here but were still pumping with no cut backs yet.

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So they are wanting to slow down the production of ethanol?

It would be according to the financial backing whether it is private commerial loans, investments drying up or govt subsidized funding. Some companies in GA went under if I'm not mistaken. I'm just guessing from what I have read.

Well just be thankfull for whatever years ride you did get out of it. If it ever was a good idea it would not be going broke now. They have done spent up all the stimulus money trying to keep bad ideas going and there just ain't no more mony to keep subsidizing bad ideas with. Any way corn will go down so balogny will go down and you can still eat. Beats other sectors that lost out years ago while having to pay highdollar for food that is based on corn cause that corn got farted away on ethanol production.

I was reading the other day that around 38% of harvested corn crop goes into ethanol, amazing statistic. No wonder corn is $7 to $8 per bushel.

Gas with ethanol in it is horrible anyway. If you use it in a boat or atv you have to add Sta-Bil to keep it from breaking down and gumming up your fuel system.

Wal-Mart has gas that usually runs 10 cents or so cheaper than anywhere else but I have never and will never buy it because it is 25% ethanol. I want even let my wife buy it.

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Ethanol is killing us, its killing our cars, our small engines, boats, its rediculous. It kills your fuel milage or "MPGs". It goes bad sitting in 2-3 months. It hasnt made the price of fuel come down like they said it would. Its a horrible Idea. I know you corn folks dont want to hear it but its true...Sorry just a touchy subject for me.

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Originally posted by C Smith
Ethanol is killing us, its killing our cars, our small engines, boats, its rediculous. It kills your fuel milage or "MPGs". It goes bad sitting in 2-3 months. It hasnt made the price of fuel come down like they said it would. Its a horrible Idea. I know you corn folks dont want to hear it but its true...Sorry just a touchy subject for me.

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Well I can tell you this, I agree it sucks, Corn ethonal does nothing to help fuel economy or the price of fuel, but untill the US Gov't stops giving substities to "BIG OIL" then the same substities will never stiop for "BIG FARMERS" !!

Switch grass is a much better form of ethonal, burns cleaner and is better for your engine !!

But once again stop all of these big tax breask for big oil, and then yiou can cut the substities to ethonal plants and big farming.

Will it make a difference ?? Don't know but if companies like GE, Mobil, Exxon and BP can make Billions of $$$$ and pay NOTHING in tax's we have a problem in this country big time !!

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All i know is ethanol is killing the ranchers and everyone else. Im glad they are starting to realize its no good.

Ethanol doesnt go bad in 2 or 3 months,its like rubbing alcohol itll last a lot longer then gas.As far as ethanol making our groceries go up it does affect milk and meat some but the other stuff it shouldnt effect because ethanol doesnt get made from human edible corn.They use it for an excuse to raise there prices.

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Originally posted by wakenda creek b
Ethanol doesnt go bad in 2 or 3 months,its like rubbing alcohol itll last a lot longer then gas..

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Originally posted by wakenda creek b
Ethanol doesnt go bad in 2 or 3 months,its like rubbing alcohol itll last a lot longer then gas.

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Because of corns many uses other than just a direct food source any increase in overall demand results in price increases. So, when about a third of the corn produced is being turned into alcohol every other consumptive user has to pay more for that raw material. It doesn't matter what business you are in when your production costs increase you have to pass those costs on to the next consumer or accept a corresponding decrease in bottom line profits. Don't think that the seed corn companies, fertilizer and herbicide/pesticide companies are going to sit by and let the producers make more money without carving off a bigger slice for themselves as well. It"s a vicious cycle that we all end up paying for in the end.
Ethanol is approximatly ten (10) percent less efficient than plain gas when it is blended at 10 percent. If you are driving a full sized pickup that means it is costing you somewhere between 1 to 2 MPG. A few years ago blended gas was about 10 percent cheaper to buy so it was kind of a wash, now it's only about 2 percent cheaper so in reality it costs more to use it than regular gas. The ONLY thing I use blended fuel in is my road vehicles, it is not a good idea to use it in any small engines. About the only time I use blended gas now is in the winter when the temps are around zero or below because the alcohol displaces any moisture in the system and I don't have to worry about freezing up then.

You got to Remember that Alot of the Corn being grown may be by Foregin Owned Corp.s !!!!!! And Recieving US Subs. !!!

Its just not Mom and Pop growing on US soils

This is a Very Old Report and you can actualy X nearly 2 time now .. Exp. since Ethanol

Foreign ownership of U.S. agricultural land remained relatively steady from 1981
through 1995—slightly above or below 1 percent of the privately owned agricultural
land in the United States.

At the end of 1995, foreign persons owned 15.1 million acres—slightly more
than 1 percent of the 1.3 billion acres of privately owned U.S. agricultural land
(farm and forest land).

Forest land accounts for 49 percent of all foreign-owned acreage, cropland for
16 percent, pasture and other agricultural land for 32 percent, and nonagricultural
land for 3 percent.

Corporations own 72 percent of the foreign-held acreage, partnerships own 20
percent, and individuals own 6 percent. The remaining 2 percent is held by estates,
trusts, institutions, associations, and others.
About 56 percent of the reported foreign holdings involve land actually owned
by U.S. corporations. The law requires them to register their land holdings as foreign
if as little as 10 percent of their stock is held by foreign investors. The remaining 44
percent of the foreign-held land is owned by investors not affiliated with U.S. firms.

A total of 63 percent of foreign-held acreage is owned by investors (including
individuals, corporations, partnerships, etc.) from Canada, the United Kingdom,
Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands Antilles, and the British Virgin Islands
(in descending rank order). Japanese investors own only 3 percent of foreign-owned
acreage.

Maine is the State with the largest number of acres (2,968,434) owned by foreign
persons. Foreign holdings in Maine account for 16 percent of that States’s privately
owned agricultural land and 20 percent of all the reported foreign-owned agricultural
land nationwide. Four companies own 91 percent of the foreign-held acres in Maine,
almost all in forest land. Two of these companies are Canadian, one is French, and
the fourth is a U.S. corporation that is partially Canadian owned.
Outside of Maine, foreign holdings are concentrated in the West and South,
containing 34 and 32 percent, respectively, of all reported foreign holdings of U.S.
agricultural land.

These findings are based on reports submitted to USDA under the Agricultural

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I see the ethanol industry different than some. Should the gov. stay out of farming? That has always been controversial. Is the subsidy a bad thing. Why are farms getting larger?

Farms are getting larger because cost of production decreases per unit when we add more units. That's the simple answer.

Subsidies /Corn Prices? We have produced more corn since the ethanol industry started using their 1/3 of total production. Exports have also increased. Potentially if the prices for other crops don't match the corn price, then we see all acres planted to corn. So, the ethanol subsidy that increases corn and grain sorghum demand is a price support for cotton, SB, wheat, etc... Acres that were in grass are planted to corn, crops are more profitable and rancers have fewer cattle, more profit in farming instead of ranching. Guess What? record high cattle prices. Ranchers and Farmers dislike paying taxes. They deside to spend those extra $$$ on equipment, terraces, watering systems, fences, new trucks, etc.. making jobs for those buying food that the farmer and rancher produced. Food and gas price is terrible, guess what? There cheaper in this country than other developed countries around the globe.

The subsidy is eliminated, demand for corn drops sharply and it's a blood bath for farmers. The rancher is still working through lowest cattle numbers since 1950. With cheap corn and feeding profits through the roof for all sectors of the cattle industry. Ranching looks great for the short term. Remember cattle numbers are low, people will still buy meat and if corn prices drop the rancher will prosper for a couple years.

Land prices will drop, big corporate farms with big dollars will buy the cheaper land. The ethanol industry dries up, more demand on foreign oil, higher gas prices and more dollars going to the desert because of demand.

I don't know about you but if some of my $$$ I spend at the gas pump is headed back to rural America, I will support what makes that happen. God Bless America!!!

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Hey do any of you know what happenes to the corn after you make ethanol

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Night Shift

Where I work its turned into cattle feed.

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Originally posted by Smoke
Where I work its turned into cattle feed.

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It must not be to bad we make over 4000 TONS PER DAY! And could sell even more.

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amazing what people don't know

Yea it has more protein then corn does plus they make CO2 during fermintation but my guess is the way some of you guys talk about ethanol you probably don't know what that means.

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We grind over 260,000 bushels per day. About 50,000 goes to ethanol.

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Re: amazing what people don't know

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Originally posted by Jason smith
Yea it has more protein then corn does plus they make CO2 during fermintation but my guess is the way some of you guys talk about ethanol you probably don't know what that means.

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The place I work at is not going broke trust me. The rest goes to make corn syrup, citric acid,tri sodium citrate, tri potassium citrate, glucosamine,lysine, fructose corn oil, vitamin e and about a dozen other products made by facilities that border the one I work at.

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