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What are we going to do?

What are we going to do for hunting lands in the years to come? I know most places it is getting harder to find places to hunt. It is the same all across the country. Does anyone have any ideas? If so I would like to hear them.

This is a idea is I got from the deerhunters. They are getting together and buying land for hunting. They are also leasing lands for hunting. Maybe we could do the same.

I know land is down here. How is it in your area?

I am just trying to look ahead.

I am a trained land spec. and see land going to other places most don't want hunting. Most that do want big bucks for the lease. So I am asking what are your plans for the future of hunitng lands?

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Don Myers

If you can handle the snow move to mi we have 100,000 s of acers of fed land and alot of state land and a ton of coons no need to try to get permission just go hunt em

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I'm going to hunt the land I have permission to hunt.If it gets leased up or changes hands down the road and I lose my hunting privileges on that land then i'll stop hunting.In IL.,land is getting leased up big time by the deerhunters and outfitters and I have lost a few spots where I used to deer and coonhunt. The all mighty $$$ seems to be what it's all about with hunting these days,and thats deer and coonhunting.
I could pay to lease land to hunt on,or I can use that money to make things better for my families life. I'll choose my wife and kids over hunting anyday!
Thats just the way it is for me anyway. For those that choose to pay to play,thats your choice and if you can afford to do that and it doesn't effect your family,then by all means go for it.

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Redticker

i feel very lucky to have Pyramid State Park right in my backyard. Thouseands of acres, lots of coons. All you have to do is get a parking pass (its free) and report on it when you hunted and how many of each animal you took and send it end at the end of the season.

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Hunting is one of those pleasures that you won't understand if you have to have it explained, which is good because folks who enjoy it can't fully explain why. -Ron Spomer

Land leasing for any hunting purpose is the beginning of the end. Very few can or will pay the kind of money it takes to lease hunting rights. Eventually the only ones left hunting will be those wealthy enough to pay for land and that number will be so low that they will have no possiblity of defending their hunting rights. And the millions who no longer hunt because they have no place to hunt will also have no reason to stand up for the hunters that are left. This is how I think it will eventually windup.

Eh I suggest meeting and talking to as many people as possible to get permission. Leasing land for deer hunting is one thing but usually when they lease they get all hunting rights to the property and its quite expensive. If I was feeding my family it might be worth it but, just to tree some coon and stuff I dont see it.

The way I always do it is if someone takes me on private land to hunt I respect it and I never go back without the person that origionally took me in there. I hunt with people that are respectful in the same way. I would go alone if I couldnt trust who I take with me. Anytime you get permission assure the their land will be respected and back it up with your action.

Land sometimes changes hands and I do realize this but there is a lot as hunters that we can do to make things better all around for everyone. Alot of farmers want these coon under control i do know this...but, its just not worth them being out a ton of money fixing fences, gates, and catching cattle all night long.

btw I wasnt accusing anyone of being disrespectful to private land but, we all know they are out there and if this post bothers you then your probably one of them.

deer hunters

and coon hunters here in this part of the country get along good and when deer hunters here lease land to hunt on they dont care if people coon hunt on it all night long .just ketch your dog befor daybreak and the local people will not shot hounds they no better.like i said we all can get along just talk to deer hunters dont wait till week befor season talk to them the year a round.I KNOW IT WORKS HERE

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Originally posted by JiM
Land leasing for any hunting purpose is the beginning of the end. Very few can or will pay the kind of money it takes to lease hunting rights. Eventually the only ones left hunting will be those wealthy enough to pay for land and that number will be so low that they will have no possiblity of defending their hunting rights. And the millions who no longer hunt because they have no place to hunt will also have no reason to stand up for the hunters that are left. This is how I think it will eventually windup.

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Originally posted by JiM
Land leasing for any hunting purpose is the beginning of the end. Very few can or will pay the kind of money it takes to lease hunting rights. Eventually the only ones left hunting will be those wealthy enough to pay for land and that number will be so low that they will have no possiblity of defending their hunting rights. And the millions who no longer hunt because they have no place to hunt will also have no reason to stand up for the hunters that are left. This is how I think it will eventually windup.

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I have never yet lost the first acre to PETA, HSUS or any other anti-hunting organization. I have lost atleast a third of my best hunting to deer hunters. Deer hunters are a much bigger threat to our sport than the anti's are. How many anti's have shot dogs? How many deer hunters have shot dogs?

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Originally posted by JiM
I have never yet lost the first acre to PETA, HSUS or any other anti-hunting organization. I have lost atleast a third of my best hunting to deer hunters. Deer hunters are a much bigger threat to our sport than the anti's are. How many anti's have shot dogs? How many deer hunters have shot dogs?

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Here in southeast Virginia,if you're not losing land to hunt because of developers,it seems that the land you do have to hunt is being lost(at least for quite a few years)due to logging.It gets harder and harder every year just to find tall timber to hunt.It's gotten so that the majority of the places I hunt now are deep swamps.And I mean some with no bottom.
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Originally posted by JiM
I have never yet lost the first acre to PETA, HSUS or any other anti-hunting organization. I have lost atleast a third of my best hunting to deer hunters. Deer hunters are a much bigger threat to our sport than the anti's are. How many anti's have shot dogs? How many deer hunters have shot dogs?

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well i know it wasnt intended but some of the "deer hunter" comments are slightly offensive. im a deer hunter and feed my family with venison. i ALSO coon hunt on a 3-4 night a week basis. this means i coon hunt more than i deer hunt. that being said not all deer hunters act like yall are describing. i personaly cant understand the problem. i have walked up on thousands of deer that didnt even move out of my way when i was coon hunting. they dont seem to care at night. i own a farm and dont allow any one else to deer hunt. but i do allow others to coon hunt. it hasnt hurt my hunting yet. also alot of the farms around here are menonite or amish and they too understand the benifit of allowing coon hunting. they save a lot of money by taking the coon population down. i guess it depends alot on the type of community you live in. the biggest threat we have is the city folks moving to the country and dont understand our country way of life. if you become friends with the neighbors and farmers you should be able to hunt no problem. go offer to help bail hay or help fix the barn roof. be a good steward and you will have plenty of room to roam.

brad

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There are deer hunters and then there are those head hunters. The kind of deer hunters that will spend hundreds, even thousands to lease ground are the same ones that hate every other hunter. And the only hunters they hate more than hound hunters are the other deer hunters.

many thousands of acres here are leased and no longer open to coonhunting, the land is leased to outfitters who make a living off of the land they lease, no negotiating here as they feel will conflict with the deer-turkey operations... not sure how the soft economy will impact the thousands of dollars it costs to hunt on these leases, but opportunity to coon hunt is dimishing by the yr.

jim is right. i am lucky to have so much public land to hunt and just as much if not more privet land too but who is to say they wont sell off the land some time soon. deer hunters are not the whole hunting voice of america but they seem to get what they want more than any one. why ? it is all about the money. they spend more on tags than any other hunter is why!! we have the itda that is working hard for the hound hunters but we as coon hunters need to group up from all around this country and speak up. just like one said why are we breeding go younder dogs when the younder is not that far any more. i saw this on here under some ones title stand up to be seen speak up to be heard shut up to be liked.

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boy's i tell ya how it is. i'am not here to bs you. i'am here to hunt dogs and get you the most for your money.my door is open for anyone to come hunt, spend the night or the weekend i hunt hard and it shows in my dogs 317-494-1098 danny suttles

I can't believe how many hunting spots I have lost in the past couple of years. Written permission is required in our county and land owners are hesitant to give it due to feeling liable. They will give permission verbally.

I got a citation a couple of weeks ago for no written permission. The warden told me about some gamelands which I went and checked out yesterday. There was a gamelands sign as you entered and then no tresspassing signs on each side of the road until you came to a massive clear cut. I found out today an individual owns several hundred acres on each side of the road in 20 yard strips. They will not allow access over their strip of land to the gameland. So, you either hit the clearcut or go elsewhere.

a fellow employee,

where my hubby works as well as coonhunter, rented a house north of sublette, il. about 8 miles or so from us. the owner? a fella from chicago, paid 3/4 of a million dollars so he and his buddies could deer hunt!!! when ray went to coonhunt, said landlord was not happy. LOL! but they worked it out. it is all beautiful timber and cornfields are around some of it. this fella is a "land developer". the hunting areas i enjoyed 20 odd years back? are no longer. only a couple i know of. another fellow coonhunter goes towards princeton to hunt on private land. too much developing around me. farmers pass on and their land becomes up for grabs. sad....

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such a thing as teacking hunters to share even if it means killing all deer and turkey but its not like that here in eastern ky.the onley people here we worie about is the city people bying 4-5 acers and being a pain like crazey but they learn REAL FAST us country folks hunt here befor they was here.we had 1 citey man and his wife they bought a small farm and if you even steped foot on there property they would shot so quess wat my dogs treed on there property so i went to there house and NO ONE would answer there door but i sean there german shepard dog inside of the house and a lady but she would not come to the dore so we opened the gate and drove to there barn and went and got my dogs but the dogs was on my freands property but this was the closes to get the dogs.we got permision to hunt every farm but this one.well we got the dogs and when we came out at there gate in my truck she and her dog and pistel was waiting on us she said to get gone or she would kill the next coon dog she sean so i stoped and got out to talk to her.this ladey was acking crazey so i left,,,,,,,,,,,, we got to thinking if she gets by with this it will never stop so we went and got a bite sleav and took her dog home with us for 2 days.yes we took her dog back and showed her she would not like her dog hurt and we would not wount owers hurt so now if she sees a coon hound it is safe

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there is

no reason deer hunters and coon hunters cant get along we do here and always will one way or the other

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i have the opposite problem problem most have i have about 3.5 million acres to hunt here in northern maine mostly timber company land also several thousand acres of old farms no leases and if its not posted its open the only problem is thin coon population you can find them just hafta move around alot to diffrent spots no corn mostly wild feed like choke cheeries beechnuts and apples in the fall.

Jim, I gotta hand it to ya', you pretty much nailed my exact thoughts on each of your posts. I know the one fella said he was slightly offended, and I know not every deer hunter acts the way that we are describing, but for the most part, here in my neck of the woods, they do. Sad but true! There are a few who tell me to go ahead and hunt, you're not gonna mess up my deer huntin', but most of them will throw a hobo fit (and them's the worst kind!) and try and prosecute you for being near where they are hunting. They try to convince everyone that the coonhunters will scare off the deer. I agree with dogboy, there should be no reason why we can't get along, but, unfortunately, there are problems.

Coonhunters aren't alone in this boat. Around here deerhunters treat other deerhunters just as bad as they treat any coonhunter. It is amazing how the quest for that record rack will turn decent people into complete asses.