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My good friend John Logan asked me this ? and after 47 years of doing this I didn't have the answer. Why does a coon run past a tree when it could just as easily climb and avoid the dogs?

most coons try to make it back to there den tree

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I second shine runner. If they pass trees and not make it to den they catch a random tree before a dog catches it.

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Ii have asked the same question myself for years and I don't by the den deal cause most older coons have dens all over the woods and as much as we would like to stroke our ego about are dogs pretty much in my country unless it's a red hot track are they ambush one then you would never see a coon on the outside !! Now I do think they do things different throughtout different times of the year for example in the summer and early fall the coons won't even be around there main den they will just lay in the trees mostly pine or cedar trees around the food source fields and creeks then in the winter they will migrate back to there main den are one of them to stay throughout the winter but truth be known every other old tree around these rivers has holes in them but I wonder the same thing why don't they just climb to get away like a opossum, but a sow will circle to taw dogs away from her kittens,but other than that and boars rutting I don't know and after thinking about it I'm kind of glad cause it would be pretty boring in my country to hear a 30 second track and then treeing !

Logan say's he thinks they enjoy messing with the dogs. He has seen one hide behind a tree, let the dogs go by and run back down his track.

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Originally posted by David Morgan
Logan say's he thinks they enjoy messing with the dogs. He has seen one hide behind a tree, let the dogs go by and run back down his track.

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Another ? why when you turn dogs loose why does the coon track always go away from you

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Coon move alot similar to rabbits . People can talk all they want about track drifters . They switch tracks and over run tracks too much .... Vs a dog that works a track like a beagle and takes that track right between their legs (what some of you call a straddler) will work that track and sometimes jump a coon that's still on the ground and when they locate a tree they run right into it and bang . They found him . Vs the drifter that usually runs right past the tree and has to stop and come back

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Originally posted by tim griffin
Another ? why when you turn dogs loose why does the coon track always go away from you

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this might sound stupid,but i wonder if some coons think that a dog can climb trees and thats why they climb in the biggest trees they can find and hide.coon might think if i can climb a tree why cant a dog? lol.ive caught coons in traps and take them miles away from where i caught them and turn them loose, and they would be running for all there worth and climb right up a den tree.how did they know where the den tree was?they might have better eye sight then i give them credit for.

I would say that 70% coons are already up in trees before they are even struck so they just pick out a tree they want to be in. 25% think they can get away an climb only when the dogs get too close or they make it home and 5% climb or die.

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Originally posted by Dwils
Coon move alot similar to rabbits . People can talk all they want about track drifters . They switch tracks and over run tracks too much .... Vs a dog that works a track like a beagle and takes that track right between their legs (what some of you call a straddler) will work that track and sometimes jump a coon that's still on the ground and when they locate a tree they run right into it and bang . They found him . Vs the drifter that usually runs right past the tree and has to stop and come back

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i think nat hit the nail on the head. most coon seem to be ballef up sleeping or layed up tight on branches the hot ones seem to be at the top of the tree looking down.

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Most just follow the sent and never really run the coon up a tree, if your in open country and the coon has to climb, he will but in thick woods , most hounds wont ever get close enough to put pressure on him and make him climb, there is a diffrence between running and following...... iv seen a lot of Followers through the years .....

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i think the main difference is our regions we hunt. how we hunt. how hard the coons are pressured. it all plays a part in what the coon does. billy you must have a dog thats in it to catch and wander they even get to climb.

he must not be far behind em tho. lol

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At least half of the time the coon is prowling in search of food and will climb when it is pressured.I don't feel like most hounds of today run tracks with enough drive to do this unless the track is red hot.

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Originally posted by David Morgan
My good friend John Logan asked me this ? and after 47 years of doing this I didn't have the answer. Why does a coon run past a tree when it could just as easily climb and avoid the dogs?

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Originally posted by Dwils
Vs the drifter that usually runs right past the tree and has to stop and come back

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Originally posted by Larry Atherton
Daniel,

The drifting style dogs frequently locate the tree 10-20 yards before they get to the tree. I have seen it many many times through the years.

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Coons hear dogs all the time. If they ran up a tree every time a coon heard a dog they wouldn't have enough time to forage for food. Typically, a coon will stop to listen to see if the dog is coming closer. If the coon doesn't think the dog is a threat yet, it will continue on. Once the coon realizes hey is that dog after me they will jump up 3-6 feet on a tree to listen. Younger coon are more likely to quickly grab a tree for refuge. Older coons will try to out run or out fox the hound. A coon who has a habit of out foxing the dogs will head straight to the area that he has out foxed dogs before. I believe how a coon runs from a dog depends largely on how often it is dogged.

My best track ever in the the last 40 years was in the middle of October1988. I had a brother and sister who were pretty fast track dogs. My wife and I cut them into a DNR flooded corn field for waterfowl. The water was knee deep. They struck a 18 pound boar who didn't have an ounce of fat on him. They smoked that track around that 80 acre corn field for over an hour. We had the coon run by us several times. Each time we saw him he was full out running. There was a tree lined creek bank along the east side of the corn field, and a large oak growing smack in the middle of the field. The coon never once attempted to climb. In fact, the male dog finally caught the big boar on the ground. Back in the early 80's we had many more long tracks. I sort of miss those days.

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Well Stanley,this looks like another fine mess you've gotten us into

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Larry , over half of the "drifters" I've seen pass pup coon! When I say pass up coon they strike and switch tracks often! As far as locating, I personally haven't seen that . I usually see them over run tracks pretty bad .

The track drifters I've seen that do get treed fast . Are never consistent at having 2 looking down. The straddler, when older, more experienced and properly trained will tree more coon per acre every single time and make it look simple

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Back in the 80's after the big fur boom. Every body on down to their 3rd cousins were after coon. You wouldn't see any road kill back then unless it was too messed up to skin. Spot-lighters were a big problem then to. Back then by late season no coons would take a tree. They all would only hole up in holes at the bottom of trees.

Yes today they don't run like that any more. That is why I said I sort of miss those days.

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Daniel,

We simply have different experiences. I got rid of an older track straddler recently so i could push a heads up drifting style dog. I am treeing more coons a night now then with the old dog. My average track time from strike to tree is 5-12 minutes.

I bet you would like her breeding.

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I believe ya Larry . I'm going to be selling 1 off bear here soon that would rather pick his head up and sail a track in there and makes it look simple . Usually treed pretty quick . Average accuracy . But I can find coon behind him and I can't take it . vS my female off bear and road trips littermate will take that track between her legs and push it in there an find coon close and I love it .

I guess why I don't like a drifter as much is they guess alot , and a dog that guesses alot is wrong half the time ... Unless its smart and there not very many smart dogs out there

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